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Daniel Smith
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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · 24-105mm worth buying?


How does the sharpness look at the wide angle end? Does it go soft as so many do? Looking at using with Canon 1DxMkIII body.


Mar 03, 2014 at 03:23 PM
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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · 24-105mm worth buying?


I would not let the fact that this is an f/4 lens deter you too much. After all, your proposed body is the 5d3 (now if you were talking a 1D3 my answer may change). I like this 24-105 lens very much. I have not replaced my V1 24-70 because I now question whether I really need it, owning this lens (I am just a hobbyist, so keep that in mind). Trying to decide on putting the money into the 24-70 VII has been tough for me. I feel the advantage of the 24-105 over the 24-70 V1 - that being the added range and I feel the advantage of the 5D3 body (that being better higher ISO performance), has prevented me from buying either the 24-70 VI (again) and the V2 as well. I would love to have the 24-70 V2, it is a better IQ lens, but I am not ready (yet) to give up the reach.


Mar 03, 2014 at 04:43 PM
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Daniel Smith wrote:
How does the sharpness look at the wide angle end? Does it go soft as so many do? Looking at using with Canon 1DxMkIII body.


I assume you meant 1DsMkIII and hit the wrong key (s near x).
IMO it does go soft at the borders on FF at the wide end. 24-70 II 2.8, 24-70 f/4 IS, 24 2.8 IS, 28 2.8 IS, 24 1.4 II, 24 T&S II, tamron 24-70 vc, even tamron 28-75 can all be a little bit to very, very much better at the wide end FF edges (and even a bit crisper in the center in many cases).



Mar 03, 2014 at 08:57 PM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh! Skibum!

Granted, there is copy to copy variation in every manufactured product. And granted, some people have bad experiences with bad samples. But your statements are so broadly general in their negative comment that I have to wonder how much experience you have with this particular lens.


I've tried it (24-105L) multiple times and been less than impressed multiple times. I tried a 24 1.4 II and was instantly fine with it and I tried the 24-70 II and 24-70 f/4 IS and was fine with those too (although the second 24-70 f/4 IS was definitely better than the first copy which got returned). I primarily focused my attention at the near 24mm zone for particular types of landscape work where crisp details to the edges mattered and where resistance to purple fringing of branches against clouds also counted.



I say this because it runs completely contrary to my experience. Sorry if I sound miffed, but according to you, I just used this lens for an assignment -- and that was a total dumbass mistake!


Hah, I wouldn't put it that way at all.


I used to be very cautious about this lens, and avoided it completely due to such widespread comments as yours, and knowing that in its introductory period it had a mini-recall for flare/internal baffle issues.

Only last year did I give it a chance after renewing my acquaintance (positively) with the "ancient" 28-135 IS.


I wasn't impressed with the 28-135 IS either, even much less so than with the 24-105. My Tamron 28-75 wiped it ever which way at 28mm and even on APS-C my Tamron 17-50 and 18-55 IS kit were much better.

Either I'm getting nothing but radically bad luck with these or you are getting the best luck in the world or we are shooting very different subjects and one of us is much less picky?


Here are a couple examples of shots from this lens from a few days ago. Most of the assignment was shot with the 17 TSE for interiors. I had brought the 24 TSE II and the 16-35L II as well. But my choice for the exterior twilight shots was the 24-105L -- I could have chosen otherwise. It wasn't my only option.


It's impossible to tell anything from 1MP images. And are you sure those crops are 100% crops? They seem too close in size to the original image?? The 24mm crops also don't seem to include the long edges either.


And the only "defect" of the lens works in its favor for this boring building -- the colorful ghosts around the strong light sources.


Well I counted all that longitudinal CA stuff as a big minus. Maybe it's fine to spruce up a dull building but it's ugly when it's wrapped around branches in the natural world IMO.



Mar 03, 2014 at 09:08 PM
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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · 24-105mm worth buying?


The 24-105mm is good at everything and great at nothing. I know I know very awesome pics have been taking with the lens. I perfer the nikon version just do to the bit of extra reach tiny bit at the end.

Just depends on your goal their great walk around lenses to captures the moments without being tired down with a bag full of other lenses.



Mar 04, 2014 at 12:57 AM
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p.4 #6 · p.4 #6 · 24-105mm worth buying?


yes, very much so, and I have some of canon's finest lenses, such as 24-70II, 70-200 II and 85L II.


Mar 04, 2014 at 10:31 PM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh! Skibum!


skibum5 wrote:
I've tried it (24-105L) multiple times and been less than impressed multiple times. I tried a 24 1.4 II and was instantly fine with it and I tried the 24-70 II and 24-70 f/4 IS and was fine with those too (although the second 24-70 f/4 IS was definitely better than the first copy which got returned). I primarily focused my attention at the near 24mm zone for particular types of landscape work where crisp details to the edges mattered and where resistance to purple fringing of branches against clouds also counted.


I was going to reply to GZ's post not to get too upset with SkiBum because he's been ragging on the 24-105 as long as I can remember, but always only at 24 mm as seen here. If I was only ever going to shoot a lens at 24 I wouldn't use the 24-105 either; the 24 f2.8 IS would be cheaper and more convenient. And its f2.8 which seems to be another sore point.

I've been using my 24-105 since 2006 and have never found the CA particularly troublesome. Distortion at 24 is strong but cleans up well in Lightroom. I have noticed that the distortion correction can soften the corners a bit. Overall I feel the lens is excellent and its handy to have 24 wide with IS even if that FL is not the lens' strongest. I was photographing butterflies in an enclosure in Costa Rica a year ago and started out using my 100L macro. I soon found the 24-105 was more flexible and could still fill the frame with a butterfly. I ended up with many similar shots from both lenses and there was much more variability in my shooting than in either lens' performance. Both yielded consistently sharp, detailed images.



Mar 04, 2014 at 11:08 PM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
I was photographing butterflies in an enclosure in Costa Rica a year ago and started out using my 100L macro. I soon found the 24-105 was more flexible and could still fill the frame with a butterfly. I ended up with many similar shots from both lenses and there was much more variability in my shooting than in either lens' performance. Both yielded consistently sharp, detailed images.


But where are the samples?!?

I'm just curious, I'd like to see your work .



Mar 04, 2014 at 11:14 PM
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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · 24-105mm worth buying?


Ok, but reduced for posting, you'll have to take my word on equivalent sharpness when viewed 100% where the wing scales are visible.
Another reason I switched to the zoom was that my DOF was often too shallow and f2.8 was of little use.




  Canon EOS 5D Mark II    EF100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM lens    100mm    f/4.0    1/320s    640 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  Canon EOS 5D Mark II    EF100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM lens    100mm    f/4.0    1/13s    640 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  Canon EOS 5D Mark II    EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens    105mm    f/4.5    1/320s    640 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  Canon EOS 5D Mark II    EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens    105mm    f/4.0    1/400s    640 ISO    -0.3 EV  




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Jeff Nolten wrote:
I was going to reply to GZ's post not to get too upset with SkiBum because he's been ragging on the 24-105 as long as I can remember, but always only at 24 mm as seen here. If I was only ever going to shoot a lens at 24 I wouldn't use the 24-105 either; the 24 f2.8 IS would be cheaper and more convenient.


True enough, I have.

Anyway, I focused on 24mm the most because that is the place where it was hard to get good performance on FF. For 35mm and 50mm and 70mm and up there were solutions. And a zoom can be more convenient than primes but anyway I DID end up going prime. I got a 24 1.4 II for a lot of money. If the 24 2.8 IS had existed back then I'm sure I would have gotten that.


Another problem I had with it was that my Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 was smaller and lighter AND sharper AND cost me like $300 and the 24-105L were costing me like $850-1000. (granted the tamron had DOG slow AF and no IS and worse range)




Mar 05, 2014 at 01:24 AM
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p.4 #11 · p.4 #11 · 24-105mm worth buying?


Its ok, there are lots and lots of lenses out there and we don't have to like them all. I'm just glad that they've made a few that I like. Its all good.


Mar 05, 2014 at 01:43 AM
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p.4 #12 · p.4 #12 · 24-105mm worth buying?


I do think there is sample variation. I bought a 24-105 with an original 5d. then as part of a 6d package, I received a new 24-105. At 24mm, corner sharpness was vastly different between two. At f8 the second copy was good (not stallar) the first was poor. the first copy was also slightly decentered.
My current copy has better corners at 50 and 70 than my 24-70II. I would have no hesitation using it stopped down for landscape through out its zoom.



Mar 05, 2014 at 03:06 AM
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kevindar wrote:
...My current copy has better corners at 50 and 70 than my 24-70II. I would have no hesitation using it stopped down for landscape through out its zoom.


I have an excellent 24-105/4L IS, but my 24-70/2.8L II is better. Have you considered trying a second 24-70II, or maybe (less expensive) getting it checked by Canon ?



Mar 05, 2014 at 03:11 AM
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p.4 #14 · p.4 #14 · 24-105mm worth buying?


Thanks for the shots Jeff- despite the 24-105L being optically weakest at the long end, I've also found it to be quite good for closeup shots, even wide-open!


Mar 05, 2014 at 03:21 AM
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jcolwell wrote:
I have an excellent 24-105/4L IS, but my 24-70/2.8L II is better. Have you considered trying a second 24-70II, or maybe (less expensive) getting it checked by Canon ?

yeah, I have. I need to call them and send it in. I have been lazy. I bought it in October, so its under warranty



Mar 05, 2014 at 03:39 AM
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p.4 #16 · p.4 #16 · 24-105mm worth buying?


Here are a few of mine with the 6D and 24-105L. Not a prime, but more than adequate.


_MG_0537.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


_MG_0547.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


_MG_0188.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


_MG_0149.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


_MG_0056.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr



Mar 05, 2014 at 06:15 AM
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p.4 #17 · p.4 #17 · 24-105mm worth buying?


Looks pretty sharp, on that series, I wonder how it compares with the Sigma? Although I haven't exactly been impressed with Sigma's quality in the past, although I do hear its improving.


Mar 05, 2014 at 03:04 PM
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