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frdjohns wrote:
wow - you really have an axe to grind against LR, huh?
No, it's an honest question as I said. Why not choose to believe what I said instead of going for the conflict?
Nancy Asquith wrote:
a) I really like Lightroom. It is way faster than Photoshop for processing most photos.
b) If you have other apps to recommend, what are they and what makes them better?
c) Also, instead of just saying LR scores poorly, could you be more specific about who scored LR poorly and what their criteria were?
a) Hmm, I guess this comes to usage style or something. The ACR part of PS can be much faster than LR could hope for. Also if using PS Actions, PS again takes a huge leap in front of LR in terms of both speed and function. And of course Bridge is both more capable and about twice the speed of LR last I tested. But we're still just comparing Adobe products to each other. How about any of the others?
b) To answer that would require a lot more typing than I'm willing to do - but for me, I was mainly only talking about speed. The time it takes from memory card insertion to final output. I keep current with a lot of different apps so to me this is just common knowledge. I assume most other people know that LR is dog-slow as well. At least when I go searching on the internet with such a topic I never once have read someone saying LR is faster and I very often read users saying it's terribly slow. In my own tests which are extensive, LR scores fairly low indeed. Again talking about speed.
c) Yeah, this thread is mostly about speed. IQ results vary from app to app and LR isn't too bad in that regard. Maybe 4th or 5th place among the capable editors I've pitted it against. What other apps am I comparing it too? Here's a list of alternatives I created about a month or two ago which was mostly compiled by reading off names from my own HDD:
Almost all of these have free timed trial versions you can download in order to evaluate their use for yourself:
Aperture - Download / Site - Good/average but a little slow, OS X only AFAIK.
CaptureOne Pro - Download / Site - Probably the best there is.
The Gimp - Download / Site - The last 2 or 3 point releases are excellent!
CinePaint - Download / Site - Very powerful but used to have stability problems on Mac/Win - I dunno current.
PS Plugins 4 Gimp - Download / Site - Haven't tried it but used similar for LightWave3D which worked well!
Matlab - Download / Site - Excellent but very technical and not good for photo editing.
PaintShop Pro - Download / Site - Excellent tool but some experience a lot of crashes.
Photo Impact - Download / Site - I have no experience with this one.
AfterShot Pro - Download / Site - Extremely promising but needs a few bug fixes!
Pixelmator - Download / Site - Sexy and fun now with 16bit support!!
GraphicConverter - Download / Site - Excellent but better for web and game graphics than photography, OS X only AFAIK.
RAW Therapee - Download / Site - Haven't really tested any of the latest versions.
ImageJ - Download / Site - Never used it but it looks web and game centric.
PhotoLine - Download / Site - Excellent, I dunno why I don't use it more.
PhotoShop Elements - Download / Site - Scaled Down cheaper version of Photoshop.
PhotoShop CC - Download / Site - Excellent, this is what I use most, that and CS6.
LightRoom - Download / Site - Excellent, scaled down Photoshop with workflow streamlined GUI - slow.
Acorn - Download / Site - Very simple features - I never used it - it's supposed to be fast.
AVS Photo Editor - Download / Site - I dunno but older versions were OK-ish - no Mac.
ACDSee Pro - Download / Site - Excellent but not worth the asking price IMO!
F-Spot - Download / Site - Excellent, there may be Mac or Windows compiles of it.
PhotoStudio - Download / Site - Excellent.
Silkypix Dev Studio - Download / Site - I think excellent but I only really feature-checked it.
ArtRage Studio Pro - Download / Site - Excellent unique PSD compatible editor - no RAW support last I checked.
Photogenics - Download / Site - Raw support but mostly just good for HDRI editing.
Photo Mechanic - Download / Site - Excellent, simple editing, good cataloging.
DigiKam - Download / Site - Looks excellent, it's strengths are DB interfacing and organizing.
Erdas Imagine - Download / Site - Never used it - the dox say it's good for geospatial image processing and analysis.
Krita - Download / Site - Haven't used it much.
PhotoPerfect - Download / Site Looks nice. I've not tested this one.
Photo Plus - Download / Site - It's supposed to be good, <shrug>
Zoner Photo Studio - Download / Site - Excellent, shareware.
Project DogWaffle - Download / Site - Awesome but really more of an animator's paintbox than a photo editor.
UF-Raw - Download / Site - I've heard of this but never tried it.
RawStudio - Download / Site - Very Good IMO.
DxO Optics Pro - Download / Site - Excellent, very structured workflow - fairly fast.
Forografix - Download / Site - Ultra simplistic, pretty average results.
Photo Filtre - Download / Site - Looks very powerful, Windows only.
Paint.NET - Download / Site - Windows only I think. Looks nice.
Photo Ninja - Download / Site - Looks OK… I think worth it's HDD space!
LightZone - Download / Site - Excellent and still FREE too.
John Caldwell wrote:
LR is fine, the best software I know of for my needs. Been with LR since version 1, and can't imagine not continuing given the rate of improvements we enjoy with ongoing development. Cannot identify with the anti-LR sentiment you appear to harbor. Why not just use something else if LR is not satisfying you?
No, please don't read into my remarks that which isn't there. There's no anti-LR sentiment. In fact there's no sentiments about any software for me - at all - good or bad. Well, other than Lightwave3D but that's because I developed parts of it… And Yeah, I don't personally use LR on a regular basis. For me it's too slow and I dislike the overly structured "guided" workflow of LR and some others like it. But I already know what I like. The purpose of this thread is to find out why others are using LR. Nothing to do with me - other than to satisfy a curiosity…
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