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p.1 #1 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Hello!

First a little about me… I am a soccer dad that loves to take shots of my girls at their events like soccer, softball and dance. I am fortunate enough to have the means to afford a D3s with a 70-200 VRII and a 85 1.8G which has been great.

BUT, I find myself cropping way too much and losing much of my ability to hold detail.

I know, I know many of you are going to say just get the 300 f2.8 but I just don't have the 4K for one lens. I have looked into selling the D3s and going with D4 but from what I read, the "upgrade" just wouldn't be enough pixels to crop enough.

When shooting soccer, I can get away with a teleconverter which I have invested in but dance is a whole different story. Dark Dark Dark…

Any suggestions?




Jan 05, 2014 at 11:00 PM
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p.1 #2 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


How much fps do you need? Swapping the D3s for a D800 will solve much of your reach problems (DX crop mode on the D800 is 15MP) and the AF is good enough. It's no speed demon in FX mode, but in DX mode it should be fine.

The other option would be the D7100, if you can live with the buffer restrictions. Again you're looking at 16MP in crop mode (along with 7fps and a halfway decent buffer if you also choose 12bit RAW's).

Another option is to look at an older 300/2.8 AF-I, which run around $2K.



Jan 05, 2014 at 11:18 PM
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p.1 #3 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


D800 (E). You may miss the higher FPS a little, the AF module a little and the high ISO handling, a little, but the cropping will make up for those minor deficiencies (compared to the D3s) for your specific uses. I have both the D800E (for anything that will need cropping, anything being shot at 100-200 ISO and portraits etc. and for when I want a lighter/smaller camera) and the D3s (for larger birds and for non crop-able landscape shots etc.).


Jan 05, 2014 at 11:52 PM
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p.1 #4 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


What about just a 1.7 tc? I shoot with a d300s and 70-200, I can get right on the side line (though I'm usually off in the corner) and 200 on dx is perfect for 95% of the shots

Edit- didn't read the very last part about dance lol sounds like you need either a d800 or a dx body

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Jan 06, 2014 at 12:00 AM
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p.1 #5 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Why would you drop $3K into a new body that rapidly depreciates rather than buying the 300mm f/2.8 or even a 300mm f/4 AF-S? The D3S is a fine body. Sure you lay out cash in the beginning for a nice lens, but sell it in three to five years - for about (or close) to what you paid. Just take good care of the lens, and it will take care of you. Your kids are only young once.


Jan 06, 2014 at 12:00 AM
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p.1 #6 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


spineguy wrote:
Hello!

First a little about me… I am a soccer dad that loves to take shots of my girls at their events like soccer, softball and dance. I am fortunate enough to have the means to afford a D3s with a 70-200 VRII and a 85 1.8G which has been great.

BUT, I find myself cropping way too much and losing much of my ability to hold detail.

I know, I know many of you are going to say just get the 300 f2.8 but I just don't have the 4K for one lens. I have looked into selling the D3s and going
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Do you really need a 300 for dance?? I would think a 70-200 2.8 would be perfect for that... especially on a D3S.



Jan 06, 2014 at 12:29 AM
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p.1 #7 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Diamonds are a gal's best friend. Good lenses are a photog's best friend.


Jan 06, 2014 at 12:34 AM
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p.1 #8 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


It will not work for dance, but for everything else it is the biggest bargain out there: the Tamron 70-300 VC (vibration compensation) lens. I use it with a D800e. Even at the long end and hand held it is very very sharp, given it's price point. It is universally praised by many more expert than I am. Here is a shot at 300 mm hand held.







Good luck
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Jan 06, 2014 at 12:36 AM
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p.1 #9 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


i like the idea of the D800e and its ability to crop and not lose much detail.. I can get away with out the machine gun shots as I try not to spray and pray much but time things.

why can't nikon just come out with a D4s already….

thanks all… will be renting a D800e next competition to see how it goes...



Jan 06, 2014 at 01:12 AM
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p.1 #10 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


We're talking numbers in excess of $1,900.00 to he can grab a little more frame n soccer.

The D3s is a keeper.. The subtle differences one sees between a D800(e) or D4 are insignificant all things considered. You have 4 choices here.

1.. Step up to better glass. I shot with a 300mm 2.8 ED-IF (older) and on my D3s, it has no problems tracking in constant mode...on any sport.

2.. Pop a 1.7 on that 70-200, crank up that ISO and call it good.

3.. The older 300's and a 1.4 or 1.7 work too. Slows the focus down a tad, but you'll adjust to the feature set just shoot.

4.. Do what everyone is suggesting. Sell your wife, kids and car.. Invest in all new kit.

But the idea of using a D800 for any sport is really kinda out there.. Fast memory notwithstanding, the buffer is too limiting. There's a time and place for everything, this isn't it.




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p.1 #11 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


How about looking into the second gen Sigma 120-300? They can be had pretty reasonable.



Jan 06, 2014 at 01:57 AM
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p.1 #12 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


I vote for an older 300/2.8 if you really need that reach. My other advice would be to get as close as possible.



Jan 06, 2014 at 02:09 AM
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p.1 #13 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


ckcarr wrote:
Why would you drop $3K into a new body that rapidly depreciates rather than buying the 300mm f/2.8 or even a 300mm f/4 AF-S? .




This is one of the continuing puzzles to me on gear boards. People put tons of money into a camera, not realizing that it's the lens more than anything else that determines what you can photo, and how. What ISO do you typically use? If it's not much past ISO 2000, the D7100 is the obvious answer. Not only does it have more "reach", it also has more resolution for when you do have to crop. Bottom line is you have too much camera and not enough lens. That's exactly backwards.


Kent in SD



Jan 06, 2014 at 02:19 AM
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p.1 #14 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Can consider replacing the 70-200mm vr2 with sigma 120-300 f2.8 Sports?
I have no experience with the lens but reviews look quite good.



Jan 06, 2014 at 02:44 AM
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p.1 #15 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Do not, I repeat, Do not sell the D3's one of the best camera's of all time. Look at the 300mm f/4 thread, the lens is very capable.

btw, add a 1.4 and you have 420mm



Jan 06, 2014 at 02:51 AM
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p.1 #16 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


vickee wrote:
Can consider replacing the 70-200mm vr2 with sigma 120-300 f2.8 Sports?
I have no experience with the lens but reviews look quite good.


Why buy the Sports version ? The previous version is optically identical with just cosmetic differences though doesn't have the ability to be fine tuned via 'the hub'. And it will only cost ca. $1,500-2,000. However it's AF accuracy is not on a par with the Nikon 300 / 2.8 VR2



Jan 06, 2014 at 02:54 AM
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p.1 #17 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Keep the d3s, best camera made ever. for daytime soccer John has your answer. you can also try the new 80-400, super sharp, handhold able and around 2200 used. also great for kid candids! a plus for the 300 f4, i sold mine once i bought the 80-400. good luck, you have great gear.


Jan 06, 2014 at 02:59 AM
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p.1 #18 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Dance (anything theatrical) requires high iso (D3s) and fast lenses. 2.8. Same thing for soccer if there are ever night games. D3s is the perfect camera, but I do understand that more resolution would help at times. I'm in the same boat. I just bought a 300 F4-afs and a 1.7tc to shoot birds. Reach is still an issue at times, but I'm hoping to get better with this combo. D7100 does sound like a good compromise, but do not sell your D3s to get it.

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Jan 06, 2014 at 03:02 AM
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p.1 #19 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


I bought a D7100 for my girlfriend at Christmas. 24 MP or not, these images next to my D3s ! Please.... All you're doing is cropping crappy images. This is not a viable solution to this Ops question.

If I have to crop.. I have to crop. But please stop the comparisons between a DX 24MP and a full frame 12+. Hell, in some tests... The D3s STILL can out rez a D4. And give me 3 minutes in Ps, I'd bet my lunch money for a week you couldn't tell the difference.



Jan 06, 2014 at 03:22 AM
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p.1 #20 · have a D3s but need reach… advice?


Yeah D7100 is very crappy

If I were you I would get a used D7100 that complements your D3S for better reach while the D3S will be your low-light savior. Also +1 to the 300 AF-S F/4, great lens.




  NIKON D7100    120.0-300.0 mm f/2.8 lens    300mm    f/2.8    1/640s    560 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jan 06, 2014 at 05:56 AM
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