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Archive 2013 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

I have a D7100 + 300f4 + Kenko Pro 300 1.4tc + Nikon 1.7tc. Time to start search for a deal on a 2.0tc. I’m happy with the Kenko 1.4. Maybe I just don’t know any better.

Dec 19, 2013 at 05:31 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Ask Will - aka Trenchmonkey.

Are you going to sell the other TCs or keep them ? I have only gone with the 1.7 as the 2.0II was not good enough IQ wise or so I heard. The 2.0III is supposed to be much better.

Is the extra 0.3 (2-1.7) worth that much ?

Andy

Dec 19, 2013 at 06:45 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

I'm going to keep them all to use as needed. The TC2. is in addition to the others.

Dec 19, 2013 at 06:52 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

MitchSC wrote:
I have a D7100 + 300f4 + Kenko Pro 300 1.4tc + Nikon 1.7tc. Time to start search for a deal on a 2.0tc. I’m happy with the Kenko 1.4. Maybe I just don’t know any better.

Choices:
Kenko Pro 300 2.0tc: Inexpensive, Af with AFD lens (if I happen to pick up AFD 2.8 tele)
Nikon TC 2.0E /EII: Same price used as Kenko new.
Nikon TC 2.0E III : Expensive

Question:
For occasional use with 300f4 (ie.. an Eagles nest). Is the TC 2.0E III worth the extra $$? Is the TC 2.0E/E II better than the Kenko?

Thanks,Mitch

Mitch,
I use teleconverters with my D300/D300s and started with the 300f4 + Kenko Pro 300 1.4x. Then I got a Nikon TC17E II and found the image quality far superior to the Kenko 1.4. So I figured that the Nikon TC14E II would be worth getting also and found it to be much better than the Kenko also. Faster focusing and better image quality meant that I was getting more keepers.

I have since got a 300f2.8 VRI and also the newer TC 20EIII which I find excellent, but it needs good light to make it sing properly.

I now find that the TC 17E II gives the weakest quality performance (but still can produce good images) of the 3 teleconverters and never use it anymore. I either crop shots from the TC 14E II or zoom with my feet when using the TC 20E III.

My reccomendation to you would be to sell your Kenco 1.4x and your Nikon 1.7x and get yourself a Nikon 14E II and a Nikon 20E III.

There are rumors that the TC 14E II is to be upgraded to version III, only Nikon knows if that is true and when.

Good luck

Dec 19, 2013 at 07:24 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

My ears were burnin' (thx Andy)
Only thing I have handy is a D700 grab with the TC-20E III/300 f4 combo.
It's the best of the 2X TC's on this Nikkor prime and I've tried them all.
As usual...handheld & SOOC

FWIW I use ALL the Nikon TC's and my TC-17E II is by far my favorite. Just sayin'

Dec 19, 2013 at 07:27 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

You're in luck because the D7100 loves TC's. My TC20EIII was unusable on my D300, decent on my D700, and stellar on my D7100.

D7100 + 300/2.8 AF-I + TC20III

Dec 19, 2013 at 07:40 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

...with the TC-17E II onna cropper, and on the D800 in 1.2 mode

(750mm & 600mm FOV)

Dec 19, 2013 at 07:43 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but 300mm + 1.7tc is 500mm...plus the 1.5 dx crop plus the 1.3 crop from the d7100 = almost 1000mm fov? How much more are you looking for?

Dec 19, 2013 at 10:00 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

cadman342001 wrote:
Ask Will - aka Trenchmonkey. Is the extra 0.3 (2-1.7) worth that much ?
Andy
Thanks Andy. I knew when I posted this that Will wouldn’t be able to resist playing. I think the extra 0.3 is worth it if I can get a deal. I’m willing to wait.

OzIan wrote:
[My recommendation to you would be to sell your Kenco 1.4x and your Nikon 1.7x and get yourself a Nikon 14E II and a Nikon 20E III.
Good luck
Thanks Ozian. I need to keep the Kenco for occasional use with my old 80-400 AFD. I just got the 1.7 and think I’m going to love it, time will tell. Unfortunately I believe you’re right about going with Nikon for the 1.4 & 2.0

trenchmonkey wrote:
Only thing I have handy is a D700 grab with the TC-20E III/300 f4 combo.
It's the best of the 2X TC's on this Nikkor prime and I've tried them all.
As usual...handheld & SOOC
FWIW I use ALL the Nikon TC's and my TC-17E II is by far my favorite. Just sayin'

Thanks Will. I think the TC-17E II is going to be my favorite also. Back to monitoring B&S for the other two. As usual great examples, first time I’ve seen the TC-20E III.Don’t think I have seen the Eagle either. All three are Amazing!

Jason_Brook wrote:
You're in luck because the D7100 loves TC's. My TC20EIII was unusable on my D300, decent on my D700, and stellar on my D7100.

Thanks Jason, Good to here, that’s why I got the D7100. Great Eagle shot! The few I have are boring.

Kyyo24 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but 300mm + 1.7tc is 500mm...plus the 1.5 dx crop plus the 1.3 crop from the d7100 = almost 1000mm fov? How much more are you looking for?
Thanks for pointing that out.

I am looking for as much as I can get for what I can afford.

Dec 20, 2013 at 05:35 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

The best "600mm" onna brewski budget has gotta be the AF-S 300 f4 and D2X shot in HSC mode.
(obviously the D7100 can be substituted if you already have one at your disposal) No TC's to slow
ones AF/rob ya of light AND you get a nice fps bump from 5 to 8 (6-7 w/D7100)

"uh oh...trenchmonkey at 3 o'clock"

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Dec 20, 2013 at 07:06 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

This HSC (high speed crop thing) has been severely under-rated and labelled a "gimmick" over the years.
D7100 guys are bringin' it back in spades. IQ is in direct proportion to the quality of glass used. I'll offer
this sample with the TC-17E II onna Chub. D2Xs @7MP SOOC. Imagine what the D7100 would look like

HSC mode effective FOV 680mm

Dec 20, 2013 at 07:37 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

What is high speed crop mode?

Dec 20, 2013 at 07:44 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

It's a 1.33x in camera zoom that basically doubles your FL on a crop body. The D2X(s) has it
as well as the D7100 (think it's called 1.3) but it's really 1.33 if one does "the math".

For example: 200mm becomes 400mm
200 X 1.5 (DX) = 300
in HSC that 300 X 1.33 = 400

Check my Exif on the pic above...it'll show the 680mm 35mm equiv.

Dec 20, 2013 at 07:48 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Why not just crop in post and not risk cutting off a wing tip or some other bird part? I never get the point of the Nikon's built in crop mode.

Dec 20, 2013 at 08:01 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Guess you could (Canon dude) but if you're good ya don't clip squat.
Nice gettin' home and seein' a 25" BIF on your monitor. We also have
a 5:4 mode to crop in camera on our Pro bodies...think 8 X 10 prints.
Guess I shouldn't be using THAT either

Time is money.

Dec 20, 2013 at 08:17 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Plus as Will said, shooting in HSC (D2x) or 1.3 Crop (D7100) mode also brings the following benefits:

1. Smaller files on the cards - easier to process and more shots per card
2. Increase in FPS on both cameras
3. On the D7100 especially, extends the buffer depth by about 30-40% (depending on the the Raw compression and bit depth selected).
4. On the D7100 and D2Xs (not sure about the D2x), the crop modes change the metering to only meter form the cropped area and excluding areas outside, which might lead to a more consistent exposure.

Some people still prefer to crop and that's fine, absolutely nothing wrong with that, but for the above reasons HSC or 1.3 crop mode might bring some benefits ?

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Dec 20, 2013 at 08:28 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Thank you kindly, Andrew. Very well played...and your 1st "like"

I often sell prints right off the LCD or my laptop/iPad (events and in the field w/clients)
Pulling up this HSC grab the other morning resulted in a 16 X 20 canvas order on the spot.

(oops! there's that worthless TC-17E II again)

Dec 20, 2013 at 08:31 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

Ha cheers Will

Dec 20, 2013 at 09:20 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 600mm on beer budget. Advice on TC needed.

trenchmonkey wrote:
This HSC (high speed crop thing) has been severely under-rated and labelled a "gimmick" over the years.
D7100 guys are bringin' it back in spades. IQ is in direct proportion to the quality of glass used. I'll offer
this sample with the TC-17E II onna Chub. D2Xs @7MP SOOC. Imagine what the D7100 would look like

That's some expensive beer Will.

Love it!

Dec 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM


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