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I'd like to get my wife a new lens for her birthday this month. We have been slowly upgrading her camera equipment. She uses a 60D camera.
She currently has a 70-200 f4 L, a 50mm 1.8 and a Sigma 18-200 (version 1). She uses the 18-200 a lot because of it's versatility, but really notices the quality difference with the 70-200 L pictures.
I was thinking of getting her a lens like the 17-40 L.
Does anyone have any other ideas? Is there a Sigma or Tamron lens that produces L quality for a better price?
I would like to stay in the $600 max range.
Thanks


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Nov 02, 2013 at 03:16 AM
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For that price range, the tamron 17-50 NON VC would also be a great choice. The one with VC does not have the same image quality as the the original does, so make sure you get the cheaper 17-50 WITHOUT the VC. You could also go with the canon 15-85IS that is well regarded; the 17-40 is also a very good lens but the zoom range is a little short

My absolute favorite crop lens is the 17-55IS, but that's a little out of your price range. In my opinion the 17-55IS is better than several L lenses, including the 17-40 and 24-105.

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Nov 02, 2013 at 03:44 AM
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p.1 #3 · Lens Upgrade time!


You could probably get a nice, used Canon EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM for about $650 - if you're patient.

Be patient...



Nov 02, 2013 at 03:51 AM
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p.1 #4 · Lens Upgrade time!


Yep used 17-55 is the way to go if you can swing it. In fact I bet that sigma starts to gather dust once she shoots with a 17-55 may even be able to sell it to cover some of the additional cost.


Nov 02, 2013 at 05:13 AM
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p.1 #5 · Lens Upgrade time!


Another vote for the 17-55. It's my wife's favorite lens by a mile. Great for travel!


Nov 02, 2013 at 05:20 AM
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p.1 #6 · Lens Upgrade time!


Get something at least 2.8 or better 17-55 is a good choice.


Nov 02, 2013 at 05:22 AM
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p.1 #7 · Lens Upgrade time!


For a 60D, another vote for the 17-55.


Nov 02, 2013 at 05:27 AM
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p.1 #8 · Lens Upgrade time!


I have the Canon 15-85 IS and it pretty much stays on my 60D all the time. Makes a great all-purpose lens and terrific for travel.


Nov 02, 2013 at 06:59 AM
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Since you mentioned she likes the versatility, I'd recommend the 15-85 IS USM. It's range is much, much more useful than the 17-55, IMHO. Those two mm on the wide end makes quite a difference and of course the 30mm on the long end is nice to have. It is variable aperture though. It is also known to be sharp wide open and as sharp as the 17-55 stopped down to equivalent apertures. When I had my 60D, that was the lens of choice. I loved the range on that thing. It's also cheaper than the 17-55; I've seen it for ~$500 used.

A lot of people love the 17-55 and for good reason. It's 2.8 throughout, IS, and sharp. However, some have reported dust issues so if buying I would inspect this in person preferably or buy here from a trusted FM member. I also believe (may be wrong), but it is an slightly older IS system.

I also heard good things about the 18-135mm IS STM (make sure its the STM, it's newer and with better elements), but have not personally tried it and your 60D will not take full advantage of the STM motor.



Nov 02, 2013 at 07:25 AM
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OK, thanks all. I will (patiently!) look for one of those lens. I was trying to upgrade her to "L"'s, but it sounds like you are all saying the 17-55 or 15-85 are of very good quality.
Thanks



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Late to the party but I would like to add my 2 cents. The only regret I have about getting rid of all of my crop cameras is the lack of my 17-55. It is by far the best EF-S lens Canon has ever produced. That being said, I would put the 17-40L and the 15-85 as a tie. A good copy of a 17-40L provides great image quality throughout most of it's range. The 15-85 on the other hand is the most versatile EF-S lens that Canon makes. The extra 2mm on the wide end makes a huge difference for a travel lens. Very good image quality and the perfect zoom range on a crop camera. The 7D and 15-85 were my only camera on several Italy trips and provided all the photographic capability I needed for capturing the country side and the people. There are no bad lens choices in this list.


Nov 02, 2013 at 11:54 AM
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How does the Tamron 17-50 2.8 rate against the 17-40 or 15-85? Is the 2.8 aperture vs. the larger ones a big advantage?


Nov 02, 2013 at 12:05 PM
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As nice as the 17-40L is on FF cameras, I've always felt it lacks on 1.6x sensor cams. I've had very limited experience with the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 and the Canon 15-85. My all around favorite is also my 17-55 f/2.8 IS. It's a tad pricey, but over time and use, it's a lens I won't let go of as long as I have a crop camera body. I was fortunate a couple of years ago to have picked mine up at your price point, so it's definitely possible....


Nov 02, 2013 at 12:23 PM
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p.1 #14 · Lens Upgrade time!


I second Tim on the EF-S17-55mmf2.8IS. Go the extra and get it or the 24-70f2.8Lv1 or the 24-105f4L. If you want quality glass then plan to pay more and go L except for the 17-55 mentioned

I started with a set of consumer grade lenses, the 28-200, 70-300 and a sigma 170-500 I kept getting ca and other lens type defects in my images, I read something that made spence to me. Buy quality glass as it is usually a one time purchase where the body is more disposable with a lifespan of 3-5 years on average. So buy quality glass. Even if you buy used you will hardly loose much over purchase price when you go to sell it and in some cases you'll make money,

Ithe 24-105 is running around $800 here used iirc about the same for the 17-55 and the 24-70 is a little less since they just came out with the second version this past year.
My glass kit looks like this and was acquired in this order

EF-S 17-55mmf2.8IS
EF70-200f2.8LIS
EF24-70f2.8L
EF100-400L
EF-8-15f4L Fisheye

My next is either the 24-105 or a 400mm Prime.



Nov 02, 2013 at 02:07 PM
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Thanks, I will look at prices for these.
Do you think she will see a big difference though in the low end between the 15-85 and 17-55 and the 24-70 or 105?
Thanks



Nov 02, 2013 at 03:37 PM
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p.1 #16 · Lens Upgrade time!


dansmail26 wrote:
I'd like to get my wife a new lens for her birthday this month. We have been slowly upgrading her camera equipment. She uses a 60D camera.
She currently has a 70-200 f4 L, a 50mm 1.8 and a Sigma 18-200 (version 1). She uses the 18-200 a lot because of it's versatility, but really notices the quality difference with the 70-200 L pictures.
I was thinking of getting her a lens like the 17-40 L.
Does anyone have any other ideas? Is there a Sigma or Tamron lens that produces L quality for a better price?
I would like to stay in
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Also being married to a woman who makes photographs, I'd encourage you to have this conversation with her! :-)

(I speak from very real experience here. My wife wanted - and needed - a very different sort of lens set up than I would normally use, and it was her specific photographic interest that drove the decision to make her primary lens one that probably won't even come up in this discussion.)

A general comment about the 17-40. It is a fine lens, and I have one and like it. However, I don't generally recommend it for folks shooting cropped sensor cameras. There aren't a lot of usable apertures on crop with a lens that arguably has some corner issues at f/4 and which, as all lenses will do on a cropped sensor camera, runs into diffraction blur issues sooner as you stop down. (In my view, the 17-40 mainly shines for people shooting small apertures on full frame cameras - e.g. landscape and similar.)

If she is interested in a lens that covers this focal length range, the EFS 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens is a better performer is essentially all ways on this camera.

(Do take her seriously when she expressed positive feelings for the 18-200mm lens. For some people, the versatility of such a lens is more important than the incremental improvement in image quality that you might get from something else - and unless she is making very large fine art prints, the differences are largely academic.)

Dan



Nov 02, 2013 at 03:40 PM
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I was not as impressed with the Tamron for its IQ, focus accuracy/speed, or build quality, although the fast f/2.8 for a budget price is where it is most attractive. I had the 17-50 non-VR version (better than the VR) on a Nikon D7000 and had several problems with focus and exposure in that combination, that almost ruined a trade show assignment. The 60D with 15-85 IS came through the next day and rescued me perfectly! I never looked back and got rid of Tamron lens first, and D7000 later.

The Canon 17-55 IS is a comparable equivalent to the FF 24-70L original, offering fast aperture throughout the range and high IQ. But the price is price, size, and weight. It would be a great set with the 70-200/4L IS, with a small coverage gap.

But for me, I spend most of my time and money on FF gear, and use it occasionally on crop. For the crop, I'm very happy to keep it as an auxiliary camera with just the 15-85 mounted, with its range equal to 24-136mm. Beyond that, it's time for specialized gear. (I feel the same with FF and the 24-105L IS -- just wish it were a touch longer!)

As Dan says, maybe it's time to talk to your wife again and hash things out now that you are aware of these recommendations from the FM members.



Nov 02, 2013 at 04:23 PM
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p.1 #18 · Lens Upgrade time!


dansmail26 wrote:
Thanks, I will look at prices for these.
Do you think she will see a big difference though in the low end between the 15-85 and 17-55 and the 24-70 or 105?
Thanks


Yes, absolutely 24mm is not wide enough for general purpose on a crop camera. I took my 7d with 24-70 to Paris once, and really regretted the choice. Trying to take shots of notre dame and other landmarks 24mm was just really too narrow and frustrating.

Really, the 17-55 is every bit as good as the 24-70v1 or 24-105 (I've owned all three and put at least 30k shots through each). I've never used the 15-85, but have owned the tamron 17-50 and it is also a very good lens. Agree that the 17-40 shines on fullframe, but isn't versatile enough for crop


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Nov 02, 2013 at 04:30 PM
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p.1 #19 · Lens Upgrade time!


Mike1.6 wrote:
Late to the party but I would like to add my 2 cents. The only regret I have about getting rid of all of my crop cameras is the lack of my 17-55. It is by far the best EF-S lens Canon has ever produced. That being said, I would put the 17-40L and the 15-85 as a tie. A good copy of a 17-40L provides great image quality throughout most of it's range. The 15-85 on the other hand is the most versatile EF-S lens that Canon makes. The extra 2mm on the wide end makes a huge difference
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100% agree; I held on to my 7d for a year longer than I really wanted to just for the 17-55IS. I sold my 24-70 shortly after getting the 17-55.



Nov 02, 2013 at 04:36 PM
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p.1 #20 · Lens Upgrade time!


, thanks all but I do talk to my wife occasionally when I have too....lol again!
-She is the one who brought up a lens in this range, so I think I am safe there.
-She does like the Sigma for it's versatility, but she is the one complaining about it's IQ and wants something better.

I think after 'listening' to everyone that I will get her either the 17-55 or 15-85 lens, I guess it will depend on which one I can find the best deal on. I'll then try and sell the Sigma, leaving her with one of those, her 50mm 1.8 and the 70-200 L.

Here's some examples of the pictures she likes to take -

http://365project.org/debihas27/365/2013-10

Thanks



Nov 02, 2013 at 04:47 PM
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