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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


Looking to see if any of you guys using this setup Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter
and if you do how happy are you ??
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Oct 22, 2013 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


It works perfectly! I am using the Canon teleconverter I together with the new 24 mm TSE version making it a 48 mm FL with loss of two stops. IQ is unchanged in real life photos. This is one reason why I don't need the 45 mm TSE lens either. I never needed a fast f stop using TSE lenses, so I don't mind losing the two stops which makes it a f/8 lens.


Oct 22, 2013 at 02:26 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


retrofocus wrote:
It works perfectly! I am using the Canon teleconverter I together with the new 24 mm TSE version making it a 48 mm FL with loss of two stops. IQ is unchanged in real life photos. This is one reason why I don't need the 45 mm TSE lens either. I never needed a fast f stop using TSE lenses, so I don't mind losing the two stops which makes it a f/8 lens.


Well I would not say perfectly but pretty good. With the 2x on it produces its takes a noticalbe hit particularly near the edges. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=486&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=486&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0

But as good as a good non L lens at f8.

And only a bit worse than the TS45. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=348&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=4&LensComp=486&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=3





Oct 22, 2013 at 08:08 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


VII? We are only at II.

EBH



Oct 22, 2013 at 09:11 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


Just looked at those digital-picture results and the 17 TS-E + 1.4x III does not look very good at all IMO compared to 24 TS-E II.




Oct 22, 2013 at 09:16 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Just looked at those digital-picture results and the 17 TS-E + 1.4x III does not look very good at all IMO compared to 24 TS-E II.



You are comparing the very best 24mm lens to the very best canon 17mm with 1.4x. Only the zeiss 15/2.8 outperforms this lens and it does not shift. Addittionaly, UWA as opposed to WA never is better, then you throw the 1.4x on.

But even so, the TS17 w 1.4x is comparable to 24-104 at 24 .http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=487&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=3&LensComp=355&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3

So if you have unlimited space take the TS17 and TS24. But if you are packing or have a limited budget, take the TS17 and 1.4x.

And note that the 60d with ts17 makes it a 27mm (with some shifting challenges because of the flash overhang) and it performs very well comared to 17/1.4 on ff .http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=487&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=3&LensComp=487&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3



Oct 22, 2013 at 10:53 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
Well I would not say perfectly but pretty good. With the 2x on it produces its takes a noticalbe hit particularly near the edges. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=486&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=486&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0

But as good as a good non L lens at f8.

And only a bit worse than the TS45. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=348&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=4&LensComp=486&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=3



Thanks for the additional links! I can only tell from practical experience by looking at the taken photo with the teleconverter/TSE lens combination, and I didn't see increased unsharpness around the edges. If it is there, then it doesn't make a visible difference.



Oct 23, 2013 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


retrofocus wrote:
so I don't mind losing the two stops which makes it a f/8 lens.


But you'll lose autofocus at F/8!!!!!























Oct 23, 2013 at 02:21 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
You are comparing the very best 24mm lens to the very best canon 17mm with 1.4x. Only the zeiss 15/2.8 outperforms this lens and it does not shift. Addittionaly, UWA as opposed to WA never is better, then you throw the 1.4x on.

But even so, the TS17 w 1.4x is comparable to 24-104 at 24 .http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=487&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=3&LensComp=355&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3

So if you have unlimited space take the TS17 and TS24. But if you are packing or have a limited budget, take the TS17 and 1.4x.


The reason I bought it up was that plenty of people here have explicitly stated they bought the 17 rather than the 24 because they could just use the TC on the 17 if they needed longer FL and that IQ was excellent. If these tests are to be believed there's a large gap in performance. It's appreciably worse than the 24 TS-E + 1.4 and while comparable to the 24-105L it's still a bit behind in IQ and the 24-105L is not the gold standard by any stretch. Interestingly the 17 + 1.4 is not quite as good as the older 24 TS-E mk I either. Even more bizarrely, the 1.4x II works better than the 1.4x III on the 17! mk II has a little more distortion but is clearly sharper.





Oct 23, 2013 at 04:53 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


Pixel Perfect wrote:
The reason I bought it up was that plenty of people here have explicitly stated they bought the 17 rather than the 24 because they could just use the TC on the 17 if they needed longer FL and that IQ was excellent. If these tests are to be believed there's a large gap in performance. It's appreciably worse than the 24 TS-E + 1.4 and while comparable to the 24-105L it's still a bit behind in IQ and the 24-105L is not the gold standard by any stretch. Interestingly the 17 + 1.4 is not quite as good
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I think you are right but the gap is not that large and the tradeoff is acceptable

The 24-105 at 24/f8 is very good. Where it is also weak is at 24mm/ f4 and with barrel distortion at this setting.

And similarly the TS17 with 1.4x is very good (=excellent - is a judgement) at 24/f8. The 24ts is better but the 24ts is better than all lens at this level including the 24-70 v2. The ts17/1.4 f8 is almost as good as the 24-70 v2 f8. And is pretty close to 24-105 or 16-35 at f8 with less barrel distortion.

So you are right that people should understand that that using the 1.4x on the 17 does decrease the iq. And that TS24 itself is sharper than the 17TS without the 1.4 to start with. So the iq does got down compared to the TS24, particularly at wide open, but it is very good and has less geometric distortion than most 24mm lens. Sometimes versatility outweighs iq.

And if I had to choose one lens of the TS17 or TS24, I would get the TS17 because:
1) There are lots of good 24mm lens out there that are pretty good.
2) There is only one TS17
3) The TS17 can be 11mm, 17mm, 24mm or 28mm with really good results whereas the 24 cannot
4) Shifting is more critical at 17mm than 24mm because you are likely to be less close to foreground items.

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Oct 23, 2013 at 05:33 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


I see little difference between 24-70 v2 and 24 TS-E v2. Prime is better in extremities, but the zoom is still excellent and a superb landscape lens. It's my go to lens and clearly better than the 24-105L across the frame and I think the 24-105L is pretty good, other than huge barrel distortion at 24mm. Mine's decently sharp wide open, but the 24-70 v2 is very sharp wide open.



Oct 23, 2013 at 05:47 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
I see little difference between 24-70 v2 and 24 TS-E v2. Prime is better in extremities, but the zoom is still excellent and a superb landscape lens. It's my go to lens and clearly better than the 24-105L across the frame and I think the 24-105L is pretty good, other than huge barrel distortion at 24mm. Mine's decently sharp wide open, but the 24-70 v2 is very sharp wide open.


Again, I agree with you but note that 24-105 at >30mm /f8 is pretty much the same iq as the 24-70 but the 24-70 lacks IS and 70-105mm. And when I want 24, I use my primes which are good at the extremeties.

So my go to lens are TS17 and 24-104 and 1.4xiii.

The great thing is that we are both right for our needs.



Oct 23, 2013 at 06:14 PM
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Scott not trying to say anything about the choices anyone's made, just saying what I've observed and that I was under the impression the 17 + 1.4 was really good. Maybe it is in real life and if you are happy with the results, real world feedback more important than looking at test charts.

I do agree the 24-105L FL range is really nice for landscape, which is why I haven't sold it, but the extra IQ from the 24-70 v2 in terms of sharpness, lower distortion at the wide end, and much better extremities makes it more valuable to me.

What will be interesting is if the newly announced Sigma 24-105 f/4 OS can better the 24-105L across the frame. Id be happy if it were only a tad sharper but was clearly better in the corners and had less barrel distortion.



Oct 23, 2013 at 06:26 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Canon 24mm TS-E VII with 2x converter


Pixel Perfect wrote:
I do agree the 24-105L FL range is really nice for landscape, which is why I haven't sold it, but the extra IQ from the 24-70 v2 in terms of sharpness, lower distortion at the wide end, and much better extremities makes it more valuable to me.


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Oct 23, 2013 at 06:27 PM





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