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p.111 #1 · p.111 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Tony B wrote:

I have read & read & re-read, held in my hand etc but there are too many minor issues for me to take the plunge. If I did Canon would bring out something that appealed. Maybe I should take a hit for all those awaiting the 5DmkIII upgrade. I hate to say it but the D800E + 14-24 appeals more & my photographic budget grows monthly but I just have a feeling of unease about the Sony. So much so that I doubt if I would like it even if I bought it.
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Thanks. The Sony A7 series is certainly not for everybody. I would not recommend it to less experienced photographers since they will be overwhelmed with the functions and especially with the pretty much non existing manual. I spent myself days to figure out custom function settings after I got the A7R, and the best help I found was online in forums on FM and other sites. There is one book out on the market which supposedly explains better the functions, but I cannot recommend it.
Sony must have rushed to get the A7 series on the market - some functions were still overlooked (e.g. to fully turn off the display screen) or are hidden in a not very systematic menu structure. And AF of non-Sony lenses is even with the first firmware update very slow - on the other hand it is a pleasure with this camera to use MF due to functions like focus peaking and 14x magnification.
Those are all certainly drawbacks especially in the beginning, but they are more than enough compensated by a superior OLED-based EVF, absolutely fantastic sensor with high resolution and huge tonal range (and yes, you clearly see this difference in the photos!), and - this is my personal opinion - a well designed control button arrangement.
Reasons to use the A7R especially are simple: if you want to get hands on the best FF sensor currently on the market with your existing Canon or alt lenses. The compact camera size is ideal for travel, hiking etc., too. For me this camera is nearly ideal to use - I found unexpectedly a lot of pleasure by using old FD and M42 lenses which I didn't use for many years since I moved to digital. They suddenly shine again on the A7R!
So far I didn't suffer of any of the described adapter problems, neither from light leak issues.



Apr 03, 2014 at 12:50 AM
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p.111 #2 · p.111 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


The only reason I think I will stick with a canon body once I get the a7r is night -astro shooting


Apr 03, 2014 at 12:52 AM
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p.111 #3 · p.111 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


RobDickinson wrote:
The only reason I think I will stick with a canon body once I get the a7r is night -astro shooting


Rob,
What's the issue with astro shooting? I have not tried it yet but I am assuming it will do just fine especially when pushing the files in post.

For those who have not read my A7R review, click below:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/A7R-review



Apr 03, 2014 at 12:59 AM
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I probably need more time with an a7r but the viewfinder seems useless for any composition, the controls seem like they would be difficult in darkness especially without using a light, even worse with gloves. And not convinced its that great at 3200 -6400 as the 6d would be. Plus weak batteries etc.
Seems like a great camera for every other landscape situation though.



Apr 03, 2014 at 01:38 AM
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p.111 #5 · p.111 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


RobDickinson wrote:
I probably need more time with an a7r but the viewfinder seems useless for any composition, the controls seem like they would be difficult in darkness especially without using a light, even worse with gloves. And not convinced its that great at 3200 -6400 as the 6d would be. Plus weak batteries etc.
Seems like a great camera for every other landscape situation though.


I think it will do fine for night photography the way you described. The big test will be with stacked 5-minute captures using the Astrotrac. It should perform similarly to the D800E.



Apr 03, 2014 at 02:10 AM
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p.111 #6 · p.111 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


OK cool well I will be upgrading the 5d2 to 6d before I get the Sony, if I find I can survive with just the Sony will consider options then, probably want 2 bodies anyhow.

Thx Fred



Apr 03, 2014 at 02:35 AM
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p.111 #7 · p.111 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Fred Miranda wrote:
It looks like this deal is still on this morning:
Sony A7R ($1,838), A7 ($1,238)

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1281471


I missed this deal...wow, very nice prize



Apr 03, 2014 at 02:42 AM
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RobDickinson wrote:
OK cool well I will be upgrading the 5d2 to 6d before I get the Sony, if I find I can survive with just the Sony will consider options then, probably want 2 bodies anyhow.

Thx Fred


Good choice. The Canon 6D is great for astrophotography. I had mine converted.



Apr 03, 2014 at 03:08 AM
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p.111 #9 · p.111 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Fred Miranda wrote:
Good choice. The Canon 6D is great for astrophotography. I had mine converted.



Worthwhile? I assume the reds come through better?



Apr 03, 2014 at 05:42 AM
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p.111 #10 · p.111 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


RobDickinson wrote:
I probably need more time with an a7r but the viewfinder seems useless for any composition, the controls seem like they would be difficult in darkness especially without using a light, even worse with gloves. And not convinced its that great at 3200 -6400 as the 6d would be. Plus weak batteries etc.
Seems like a great camera for every other landscape situation though.


I can agree with your point in regard to use some of the control buttons with gloves. The MF-critical C1 button can't be pressed with gloves easily. Battery lifetime especially in cold temperatures outside is short. You need to rely on at least one spare charged battery. Can't comment on the high ISO performance, this is something I didn't try yet (as well as video which I likely won't use at all).



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p.111 #11 · p.111 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Just incase someone needs it. One mount fits all adapters info:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters/
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters-2/



Apr 04, 2014 at 05:54 AM
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p.111 #12 · p.111 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


mttran wrote:
Just incase someone needs it. One mount fits all adapters info:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters/
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters-2/


Funny - the information on those sites is much better than what his book provides. I had his book for a short time, and felt it was more a general guide to learn photography than it contained useful information to cover the functions of the A7(R) cameras. I returned the book.



Apr 04, 2014 at 11:31 AM
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p.111 #13 · p.111 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Klaus Priebe wrote:
Me too. Not sure what is going on with them.


Re : Protostar flock order
I emailed them on Wednesday to find out what happened to my (1 week old) order. I got a reply this morning that they had been out of stock and it would ship today and I'd get it on Monday .. we'll see

Mike



Apr 04, 2014 at 03:54 PM
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p.111 #14 · p.111 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


A new a7s getting announced Sunday, probably an a7 with 4k video


Apr 04, 2014 at 07:00 PM
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p.111 #15 · p.111 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Just to be another voice in the crowd....

.. am currently on the initial weeks of switching from a Canon 1DmkII to the A7. IQ seems to be quite a bit better, noise quality lower, of course focusing so far and speed of shooting, adjusting everything, etc. has been the biggest change.

The Metabones III is giving me AF w/ my 70-200L, only manual focus with my 28-70/2.8L, and is too tight and therefore incompatible with my 17-35/2.8L. B&H is sending me another copy of the Metabones to see if it is looser and has part-to-part variability, but it's a bit scary when my entire glass inventory is dependent on the Metabones. The 550ex flash is also triggerable but completely manual, so all-in-all I think it requires a slow transition of all the lens/accessories to Sony over time. In other words, the low-cost appeal of transitioning to this non-Canon system seems to only be temporary and not a permanent solution...

Just my $0.02 based on 2 weeks of use.



Apr 05, 2014 at 07:17 PM
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p.111 #16 · p.111 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Does anyone have any examples of the a7r with canon 24-70L II? That would be my combo for landscapes if I do end up buying this body. Thanks!


Apr 05, 2014 at 10:48 PM
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p.111 #17 · p.111 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


supermario343 wrote:
Does anyone have any examples of the a7r with canon 24-70L II? That would be my combo for landscapes if I do end up buying this body. Thanks!


That's pretty much the main lens I use with A7R - and it's excellent, you just have to fight flare (which isn't the lens fault) ...
For the record I have it set to MF and infinity marker, and don't actually bother focusing.
Many are on my flickr feed:
A 2-min exposure:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/95940767@N07/13320145815/
Regular long exposure:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/95940767@N07/12919081444/in/set-72157641838409014
https://www.flickr.com/photos/95940767@N07/12918707645/in/set-72157641838409014

Day shots (manual focus)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/95940767@N07/11959098773/in/set-72157639788587953

Sunrise
https://www.flickr.com/photos/95940767@N07/12101923953/in/set-72157638196410293

And a few not on flickr:


















This is from Sony store thing where you can go and try A7/R ... I went, tried, then pulled out my own, with 24-70 and started shooting






I have quiet a lot of them ...

On the not so savory side, this is what happens when flaring goes terribly wrong:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1247661/107#12143887





Apr 05, 2014 at 11:21 PM
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p.111 #18 · p.111 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


Appreciate the samples secondclaw, thanks!


Apr 06, 2014 at 05:22 AM
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p.111 #19 · p.111 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


secondclaw: What's up in the last photo? I can't figure out if the skin smoothing is hyper-aggressive noise reduction, a pound of makeup (for post-processing reasons) on an already smooth face, or a combination of both?

Something similar in the generally-skin-hues in the pier shot too. Is this processing or camera?



Apr 06, 2014 at 09:01 AM
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p.111 #20 · p.111 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses


I have to take a look at the original, I think this was at ISO 800. I don't go any skin processing, but maybe noise reduction was too aggressive.

On the pier shots, and most of these, I've been toggling between Adobe and camera color profiles, all seem very different to my eyes. I haven't had time to build my own profile yet.



Apr 06, 2014 at 01:45 PM
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