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gugs wrote:
Answer to the original question:
Just because it is the best camera made by Nikon. The D4 really does add anything spectacular. In fact the D4 is a serious step backwards in terms of compatibility. The D4 is not only much more expensive, but you have to add batteries, new incompatible card readers and ridiculously expensive memory cards (XQD), making the total package between $500 and $1000 even more expensive.
For my kind of 'allround' photography, I regret having bought a D4, but the D3s was not available anymore when I made the choice.

Guy


Step backwards? not quite at all. I saw no reason to go from the D3 to the D3s. but I did from D3 to D4. I saw the D3s an interim build. metering along is more then a bit different compared to the previous gen. it really isn't that much more as was a D3s in its prime. as to the batteries, well, they were going down that path no matter what. it wasn't their call in the long run. rules is rules. XQD? I have no real issues with it. at least it is forward looking. yes it should have been 2 and dumped the CF slot. it took the C company 3 generations of top end cameras to realize that SD was not an answer matching it with CF (major step backward) and now they're backing SATA2. a 32GB S series card is $200. I really don't need to collect them. I have 3 right now. that's over 2400 14bit raw shots. I still have the "aging" CF slot as an option. in the long run its irrelevant. oh, the reader (I have 2) was $40 and really fast to for the speed heads. I consider what I have produced in revenue from its use I have no regrets whatsoever whether it be by the shot or the day. it makes shooting just that much easier. so in the end I equate mostly to peoples resistance change. and I do a bit of that "all around" work too.






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  NIKON D4    24.0-120.0 mm f/4.0 lens    34mm    1/640s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  







Enterprise going up the river (Hudson that is)

  NIKON D4    24mm    f/8.0    1/400s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  







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  NIKON D4    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    280mm    1/500s    500 ISO    0.0 EV  







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  NIKON D4    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    200mm    1/800s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  







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  NIKON D4    32mm    f/5.6    1/1250s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



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Oct 13, 2013 at 12:37 AM
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and last but not least just taken. Horrid lighting no NR





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Oct 13, 2013 at 01:27 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · What keeps D3s price up?


gugs wrote:
Answer to the original question:
Just because it is the best camera made by Nikon. The D4 really does add anything spectacular. In fact the D4 is a serious step backwards in terms of compatibility. The D4 is not only much more expensive, but you have to add batteries, new incompatible card readers and ridiculously expensive memory cards (XQD), making the total package between $500 and $1000 even more expensive.
For my kind of 'allround' photography, I regret having bought a D4, but the D3s was not available anymore when I made the choice.

Guy


Guy, if you regret buying the D4, I'm sure you won't have a problem finding a D3s owner who's willing to trade for your D4 Actually, I wanted a D3s initially. But for about $1K more, I realized that I should just get a used D4 since this is a body that I'll keep for a long time. I went for the newer tech and I am so glad I did. You can get genuine En-El18's on ebay for around $60 if you look hard. XQD is awesome, but the D4 can still take CF's and those are cheap as dirt.

To answer the OP, I think it's because the D3s is (was) a flagship body, and flagship bodies usually hold their value really well. Just look at the D3, it's still selling used for $2K, and it's almost 6 years old! I think we're at the point where sensor tech isn't improving by leaps and bounds unlike 10 years ago. The D3 and D3s will continue to perform for years to come.. and that is why I didn't hesitate to buy a D4 because I know that it will keep me happy for a LONG time.



Oct 13, 2013 at 03:50 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · What keeps D3s price up?


love my D3s everyday.told my wife tonight i will be getting 2 more for my girls when they work with me.i do tons of sports and a few weddings.


Oct 13, 2013 at 03:54 AM
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D3s take it to the movies, take it to the laundry, take it clubbing and take it mopping, take it to an inferno and take it to visit icicles......Most of all take it everywhere and it will take care of you




Oct 13, 2013 at 04:20 AM
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Don't get me wrong, the D4 is an excellent camera and I like using it, but the price point is (was) not consistent with the extra functionality. I paid (in Europe of course) a bit more than 4500EUR for the D3 and close to 7000EUR for the D4, all accessories (XQD/batteries) included, and now I have to carry two chargers, two sets of batteries and a new card reader. Prices have gone down a bit now, but I find the difference a bit high. Of course, I make money with my cameras, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter so much. It's just that the D3 has been a huge leap forward, with the D3s further improving the best camera at that time, at a similar price point as the previous generation (D2x(s)).

Guy



Oct 13, 2013 at 04:20 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · What keeps D3s price up?


For me it was an easier decision. The move from the D700 to a D4 is a logical one. I know a D3S would have done me fine. But I had the cash, I had no legacy batteries and even the dreaded XQD card wasn't a big problem now that Lexar have backed it. The extra resolution is helpful (although not a big deal). I also know the history or the camera Bought new with 2 year warranty.

All in all, this was the best way to go.



Oct 13, 2013 at 04:36 PM
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They certainly have come down over here (Norway), I just picked up a D3s for around $1600. It is heavily used (210 000), but for that price I just decided to take a chance. So far, it is the best camera I have ever tried. I did have a D700, but the D3s goes the extra mile towards being a "Yes you can" camera.


Oct 13, 2013 at 05:51 PM
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gugs wrote:
Don't get me wrong, the D4 is an excellent camera and I like using it, but the price point is (was) not consistent with the extra functionality. I paid (in Europe of course) a bit more than 4500EUR for the D3 and close to 7000EUR for the D4, all accessories (XQD/batteries) included, and now I have to carry two chargers, two sets of batteries and a new card reader. Prices have gone down a bit now, but I find the difference a bit high. Of course, I make money with my cameras, and at the end of the day, it
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Oct 14, 2013 at 01:08 PM
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If the D4 used dual XQD slots it would be so much more beastly. Why, Nikon? Why?


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Unless you shoot only at low ISO the D3s is significantly more capable than the D3 in terms of DR and sensor cleaning. The only way to get a better high-ISO images with the option of a high frame rate and a weather resistant pro build is to get a D4. Even the D800/D600 can't do the job.

In short, the D3s was never made significantly redundant. The D4 was rarely regarded as a bad camera but was commonly regarded as a poor-value upgrade from a D3s. From a D3 it was a much better upgrade.

At high ISO a D800 can produce similar or slightly better images than a D3s (so we have been told by those who have done it) but only if you downsample the images to the D3s resolution. That's all very well but with a workflow based on Lightroom that would mean additional files to manage because downsampling is not one of the built-in Lr psuedo edits that is re-executed from the original raw file data every time you view it. So once you export to the downsampled files you won't see any further edits made to the raw file in Lr (unless you go through Ps with smart objects, but then you're out of the Lr workflow).

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Oct 14, 2013 at 03:08 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · What keeps D3s price up?


Cameras aren't computers. All this "old-technology" talk is a bunch of malarkey. Even at 12MP, the D3s is one of the best camera platforms out there. I'll eventually have one if I can afford/justify it.


Oct 14, 2013 at 03:32 PM
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Just had an offer today $2,900 for a 3s (under 10k actuations) or a D4 for $4,000 and $1,500 cash in for my D600. Hmmm, deja vu.


Oct 14, 2013 at 03:52 PM
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M635_Guy wrote:
Cameras aren't computers. All this "old-technology" talk is a bunch of malarkey. Even at 12MP, the D3s is one of the best camera platforms out there. I'll eventually have one if I can afford/justify it.


True that and D3s compared to "today" cameras isnt obsolete in anything.



Oct 14, 2013 at 04:18 PM
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The reason why the D3s still keeps its overall value is like a #5 hitter in the lineup. They are there because they are usually the 2nd "leadoff" hitter in the lineup (after your power guy usually hits the home run) and can pretty much do anything that is asked of them to get on and steal a base to get into scoring position.

The D3s is the all in one champ right now in Nikons lineup because it does for the most part everything that you want it too do. DR, fast fps, awesome high ISO capabilities and 12mp is still a great number to shoot to make big prints.

The D3 was and still is a hell of a camera. But a lot of the photographers when Nikon was still doing it had the buffer upgraded to match the D3s capabilities.

And the D3 is 5 year old + technology.

I got a D3s for a steal of a deal but traded it and a D7100 (still a hell of a camera also) for a D4 and haven't looked back just yet.

I combo my D4 with my D800 and that covers everything across the whole board for me.

Ross

Edit: BTW as far as the XQD cards go for the D4. Yes they are expensive right now but go to YouTube and watch as people fire away and fill the buffer and then empty it out and then go back to shooting again. It's hands down "Fargin" fast and I have invested into several of them and using USB 3.0 to get them into a computer is equally fast.

Hopefully this format won't be the "Betamax" of media cards!





Oct 14, 2013 at 05:10 PM
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viagra?


Oct 14, 2013 at 05:31 PM
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Graham Mitchell wrote:
viagra?


Uh that's used when shooting with something else...



Ross



Oct 14, 2013 at 11:19 PM
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I trust the D4 is a better camera at 5k but the D3s for a bit over 3k is a great value.

Shot my first girls volleyball game of the season tonight with my newly acquired D3s.

A great body that will hold it's value until the D5 comes out.

Grant




  NIKON D3S    70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8 lens    145mm    f/2.8    1/800s    6400 ISO    0.0 EV  




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Frogfish wrote:
Just had an offer today $2,900 for a 3s (under 10k actuations) or a D4 for $4,000 and $1,500 cash in for my D600. Hmmm, deja vu.


Pass me the offers if you're not taking them up.



Oct 15, 2013 at 03:34 PM
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MazeRunner wrote:
Pass me the offers if you're not taking them up.


That was exactly what I said to myself...but then, this Froggie is in Shanghai!



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