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Ookay, that was a bad move on my part. I posted a link to my blog where I tried to write up an objective list of differences between the two to help people on the fence get more information before switching (which I was not able to do when switching to Canon). Two mistakes: linking out (people think I'm spamming) and the main topic. But honestly, I really want to make an objective list (with your help) to help others.

How about this, please list things from your PERSONAL experience with a brand that may HELP someone choose a brand/make a jump. If you feel passionately about how your brand is better, just don't post anything. Everything I've written here may sound passionate, but I'm trying to be humorous to help the mood of a topic that has a stigma. I really don't care about brands anymore since the switch. I realized both are imperfectly great.



Here's some of what I found, personally:


After about a month of shooting weddings and models with a Canon 5D Mark III & 6D, am I happy?

Kinda, but not really. What I've learned is that it's really not that important because there just isn't a perfect system. When I was frustrated with Nikon, I hadn't spent enough time with Canon to know that they weren't all that great either. I just wanted a solution and figured Canon was it. But after spending time with it, I've found quirks that drive me mad as well.

I did, however, attempt to find out the differences prior to the switch, only to find such topics taboo, with most people either brand whoring themselves and others criticizing the comparison as "flame wars" or meaningless "fanboyism". There wasn't anything remotely helpful. I needed something objective that could show me what I'd be getting myself into.

So to those who are thinking of jumping the fence and really want an objective comparison of the quirks and benefits of each system, I'm here to help in my little way. Here's what I've personally found so far (in no particular order):



1. Canon cameras are more cosmetically fragile.

I've had a Nikon D7000 since the day it came out (a couple of years ago) until a few months ago and never had anything close to such a nasty scratch as this on the left. I've even taken it to China. And it's not even in the same class. The 5D Mark III is 3x the price. No, I didn't pamper it.

I got a huge scratch on my camera on the second wedding. I didn't drop or scrape it anywhere. There were quite a few more scratches as well. I've also talked to other Canon shooters who agree Canons aren't as tough as Nikons.


2. Speedlights are smarter than Speedlites.

Sure, I love whipping out the 600EX and controlling it remotely via the ST-E3 with all the controls at my finger tips. But all that warmth in my heart just cools off the instant the 600EX can't automatically switch over to HSS.

If I'm wrong (and I've done my 5 min share of online research) and there's a way to train my 600EX to do this, please let me know.


3. Canon is horrible at metering for backlit situations.

+1 EV? no no no. +2? nope. +3?!? Moment's over.

Nikons are much more accurate. Never knew this until it was too late.


4. Nikon doesn't care about you.

D600 oil issues? "What issue? Oh, check out our new D610! Same specs, new price tag!"

Yellow white balance & LCD? "You're wrong. It's more accurate."


5. Nikons generally has better flash sync.

Canon touts a 1/200 Sync speed for flash on its flagship 5D Mark III. Reality? Even at 1/160 you get a darkening on one entire side of the image, albeit a small portion. Still, not really 1/200th, is it, Canon?


6. "DXO is nonsense" may not be nonsense.

There was a time when I started agreeing with the vast majority that DXO lab test results were bought off by Nikon to promote their sensors and lenses. I don't know about the lenses part, but sensor-wise, they're probably not BS-ing. The dynamic range of even the D600 is noticeable when compared to the 5D Mark III


7. Nikons are better at erasing your photos. In a good way.

With Nikons, you can zoom out to the point of viewing your photos in Calendar mode, with the ability to erase shoots by dates. Canons can't do that. If you accidentally start shooting on an old card and need to delete just one photoshoot? Have fun with ticking each photo in batch delete.


8. Canons are better at showing you your photos.

Canons are quicker to load low res previews when scrolling with the beautiful scroll wheel. Ever zoom out in Nikon to the point where they're trying to load up the entire screen with small thumbnails? It won't let you do anything until it finishes loading all of them. You can't scroll up or down. Just have to patiently wait. And no, it's not quick.


9. Nikons are made by asians for asians.

Nikon viewfinders, with the rubber eyepiece cover on, become pretty much flush with the LCD. Which means when you push your eye to it, your nose smashes the LCD. Not so bad for asians with flat noses. For the majority of Americans? It means greasy LCD's. Couple that with the lilliputian grips for small hands and you see what I mean. I'm asian, I can say this.

Canons have this beautiful, curved rubber eye-piece cover design that protrudes far away from the LCD. Your Western noses will probably still smash it, but less so. (kidding!)


10. Nikons carry less liability in general.

Chances are, your recently made Nikon has dual card slots. Even the lower-end D7000 from a few years ago had it. They all have them. And when they have them, they write to both slots just fine.

Canons? They still make single-slot cameras like the 6D, and when they add another slot? They cripple it with a slow write speed that slows your entire buffer down to D7000 level. 5D Mark III, I'm talking about you. Cripple!

Dual slots = less liability. Less liability = less stressed you. Dual slots = happier clients = easier bookings. I used to tell my clients when I met them that "all my cameras have dual card slots for redundancy and safety, so the chances of losing photos is lessened considerably." I can only say that about my main camera now.

True, this may be useless to you. It may be useful, hence it's listed here.


11. Nikon sucks at writing software.

Do you use Nikon Capture NX 2? No? There's a reason why.
Wireless app for the wireless dongle for your camera? No? There's a reason why.
Canon makes some great software to go along with their cameras. Shooting my 6D from my iPhone is pure simplicity.


12. Canon is better at tethering.

In addition to the solid tethering software Canon provides, you can save photos to your memory card in addition to your computer. You can even view the LCD on the camera when tethered. Nikon? Turns into a dummy that just transmits data.


To those looking to switch: just remember that a camera brand is not about the final image, it's about how enjoyable the path to that image is. If it helps you enjoy the process and shoot more happily, then it's worth it. It was a little bit for me, but not anywhere as much as I expected, personally.


That's it for me. If you have something factual to HELP someone get to know the quirks of your system before they switch over, please do reply.

IF you're interested in reading the original post, you can PM me. I am afraid to post the link...

Edited on Sep 26, 2013 at 03:37 AM · View previous versions



Sep 25, 2013 at 07:35 PM
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Why not post it here?


Sep 25, 2013 at 07:46 PM
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I actually wrote it up without thinking of posting it on FM. After I wrote it, I thought the community may enjoy it. I guess I could copy and paste, but not with the photos in the same layout...

Should I?



Sep 25, 2013 at 07:48 PM
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I remember there was a thread a while back in the wedding forum about the perfect wedding camera, I think at that point most pros agreed on the D700, then when the 5Dlll came out it was the new perfect wedding camera.

Most people don't use their camera to shoot weddings like you do, to really make a Nikon vs Canon review without bias, I think the reviewer would need to have access to all the current lineup of lenses, flashes and bodies of both and use them side by side on the same conditions and settings and then write the results.



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:13 PM
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Ford vs Chevy


Sep 25, 2013 at 08:20 PM
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In reply to #4: In case you didn't know, there are several Nikon lenses with aperture rings that you can use to "freelens" with. Of course this includes the nice, affordable Nikkor AI/S glass.


Sep 25, 2013 at 08:20 PM
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@ Kell
True, I'm just trying to help people who want more facts before choosing. I'm editing it for FM, so I can post it directly here.

@ DontShoot
I know, but I didn't want to buy a separate lens just for that. But thanks for adding something constructive



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:23 PM
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Revised and edited. Hopefully we can all be professional and keep this from ending up into another flame war that doesn't benefit anyone at all.

In all honesty, my intention was to give something objective to people who need it (like I did before).



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:40 PM
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Wow, I didn't know about the "your nose doesn't hit the LCD on Canon cameras" thing. Now I have to switch!! :-)

Nice post. I liked it on your blog, but it is way easier to read here without the light-gray-text-on-white-background setup.

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Sep 25, 2013 at 08:40 PM
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, there you go, helped someone already!


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I remember that a few years ago, Nikon cameras had the built-in AF assist lamp (which I don't use anyway), and Canon cameras didn't, and had to pop the flash for AF assist. I don't know whether that is still true.


Sep 25, 2013 at 08:45 PM
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Kell wrote:
Ford vs Chevy



Simple, Chevy.



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:49 PM
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Just from personal experience, my contributions to "the list":

NIKON:
Much better IQ at low ISO (for models with Sony sensors)
Better wide-angle lenses (for full-frame)

CANON:
More complete lens lineup
Slightly better lens pricing, on average
Better ergonomics/buttons/menus



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:52 PM
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New finding for me so far: Nikon shooters are nicer people. lol
I posted this on the Canon forum and they're so much more aggressive there...



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:55 PM
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a.RodriguezPix wrote:
Simple, Chevy.



I guess I'll give the facts to why Chevy. First, and foremost, my father loved Chevy, therefore, I was conceived in one, and nearly born in one too! I lie the chevy look, feel, and kickassness of their 4X4's, sure ford had bigfoot, but in the most part, I still like the look of a chevy, and that ol 350 ain't to bad too! The duramax is another reason to like this killer Chevy brand, and lest we forget the other muscle, camaro, vette, and so on. I also shoot Nikon, and a Rollei 6008 Pro FILM camera, so maybe i just don't have a damn clue?



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:55 PM
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skyinmotion wrote:
Just from personal experience, my contributions to "the list":

NIKON:
Much better IQ at low ISO (for models with Sony sensors)
Better wide-angle lenses (for full-frame)

CANON:
More complete lens lineup
Slightly better lens pricing, on average
Better ergonomics/buttons/menus



You have made it a key point to mention sony sensor, however, did they not give sony the specification not ramification needed to build it? Samsung makes apple stuff, and it still is apple? i own a galaxy s 4 btw and my wife is the iphone 5s 64gb gold user, but i love her still.



Sep 25, 2013 at 08:57 PM
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a.RodriguezPix wrote:
Simple, Chevy.


I never get caught up in the whole analysis paralysis thing, matter of fact I don't even know what most of the terms used for cameras/lens even mean/are, nor care to...I know most take more than adequate pictures for non-pros...I mean, I don't want to know how a clock works, just what time it is...then again I'm a simpleton



Sep 25, 2013 at 09:00 PM
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A few more:
Nikon: bit too yellow
Canon:bit too magenta

Nikon: better low-light autofocus (even without af-assist lamp, most nikon camera's focus where Canon's just don't)
Canon: More cross type sensors that are usefull.

Nikon: No in-camera noise reduction if you don't want it (Canon 5D3 automatically applies noise reduction on everything in video).
Canon: Magic lantern

The only reason I would ever switch to Canon would be because of Magic lantern. For all the rest I am very happy with my D800e.



Sep 25, 2013 at 09:04 PM
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That's a sweet camera. Still want one for portrait studio work. I didnt know you can't turn off NR in canon videos. I'll add it to the list. Thanks!


Sep 25, 2013 at 09:16 PM
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I'm sure many of your points will "register" with pro photographers...as handling, system and other and esoteric issues can be important. But as a hobbyist (where time is really not an issue and I don't need to make money!) the most important thing to me is image quality, and in that department Nikon trumps Canon hands down across the board. Everything else is moot.

As a "system" and from a lens choice perspective, I really like Canon. But until they can come up with a sensor that can actually compete with Nikon -- in any camera at any price point -- I have absolutely no interest in Canon.

Oh, and I have to disagree about Capture NX....has to be the best photo processing software on the market...unless of course you need batch.

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