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Wahoowa
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


Sadly, I just purchased a lens from someone here who pulled a fast one on me.

Seller rated the lens as "mint" and 10 rating. He posted four pictures in his blog as shown in this post. His rating was good with 30 positives and no neutral/negative.

Got the package on Friday. Opened it later that night to find that there are several blemishes on the lens. Checking his original pictures and none of them shows the side of the lens that has blemishes. (You can see the blemishes in the 2nd post--3-4 nicks and a big scuff.) It's now obvious to me that he intentionally did not want to show that side of the lens.

I immediately sent him a PM and so far I haven't got a reply.

I know people rate lens differently. Although other than the blemishes, the rest of the lens is in great condition, I'd still push it to a rating of 9 at most.

What do you think?





















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Aug 25, 2013 at 03:40 PM
Wahoowa
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


This is the lens I got.






















Aug 25, 2013 at 03:41 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


This is definitely not mint or a 10. At first glance I saw the white marks. Upon closer inspection, there is a major scuff below the 16. Dropped

Demand your money back, item not as described. Attempt to defraud...



Aug 25, 2013 at 04:03 PM
Wahoowa
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


Wobble wrote:
This is definitely not mint or a 10. At first glance I saw the white marks. Upon closer inspection, there is a major scuff below the 16. Dropped

Demand your money back, item not as described. Attempt to defraud...


Thank you for your opinion, Wobble. Yes, that's the big scuff that I mentioned in the first post.

The sad part is I bought this lens for someone else.

I agree that, looking at the blemishes, it appears the lens might have been dropped. Even though they are not that major of marks, it shows how the lens has been handled.



Aug 25, 2013 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


I agree with Wobble.

Even if it hasn't been dropped, it's certainly not mint, or 10.

Also, you should send a PM to Fred to tell him about this, and who sold it to you. He can be very helpful.

P.S. this seems to be happening more often in recent times. Not good.!



Aug 25, 2013 at 04:18 PM
Wahoowa
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


jcolwell wrote:
I agree with Wobble.

Even if it hasn't been dropped, it's certainly not mint, or 10.

Also, you should send a PM to Fred to tell him about this, and who sold it to you. He can be very helpful.

P.S. this seems to be happening more often in recent times. Not good.!


Thank you, jcolwell.

In general, I have always thought that Fred handles cases that involve scams and frauds. Do members normally contact Fred with issues like this? (I sorta think that, if he also handles this type of problems, he wouldn't have had time for anything else.)

Either way, I'm still giving the seller a chance to correct the issue. (But considering how the pictures were intentionally taken and how he was fully aware of the item condition, I doubt that he'd come through.)

I wasn't aware that it's happening more, but this transaction sure reminds me of some eBay sellers that I dealt with several years ago.



Aug 25, 2013 at 05:09 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


This is definitely not in "mint" condition and looks like it has been dropped.


Aug 25, 2013 at 08:01 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


If you paid with PayPal, hopefully you used the non gift option.

ron



Aug 25, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Wahoowa
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


ronfronberg wrote:
If you paid with PayPal hopefully you used the non gift option.

ron


I paid with regular Paypal, but I'd rather go to that as the last resource. I'd like to give the seller a chance to explain himself first, but he hasn't responded to my PM. But it's been just a few days since I got it and since I sent him a PM, so I guess I'll give him a little more time.



Aug 25, 2013 at 09:03 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


If that was my lens and I was selling, I would rate it at 8+


Aug 25, 2013 at 09:24 PM
 

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


Thats no where near mint.


Aug 25, 2013 at 09:56 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


Has the seller picked up your PM?

I vote 8 --- but would not keep the lens.

Cosmetics are one thing, drops are another --- the risks to the long term health of the lens are too high. So it's a return, not an adjustment.



Aug 25, 2013 at 11:13 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


unclechuck wrote:
Cosmetics are one thing, drops are another --- the risks to the long term health of the lens are too high. So it's a return, not an adjustment.


+1



Aug 25, 2013 at 11:27 PM
Wahoowa
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


unclechuck wrote:
Has the seller picked up your PM?

I vote 8 --- but would not keep the lens.

Cosmetics are one thing, drops are another --- the risks to the long term health of the lens are too high. So it's a return, not an adjustment.


No, he has not.

I'm not looking for an adjustment either. I'm looking to send it back and I sorta expect the seller to pay for return shipping. But I think it's highly doubtful that he'd take it back, considering how he "rated" this lens.



Aug 25, 2013 at 11:30 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · At what rating would you rate this lens?



Has he posted after you PM'd? --- that would be a telltale sign that hes been on FM and is just ignoring your PM.

With your solid FB he has a steep hill to climb with Paypal.



Aug 25, 2013 at 11:38 PM
Wahoowa
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


unclechuck wrote:

Has he posted after you PM'd? --- that would be a telltale sign that hes been on FM and is just ignoring your PM.

With your solid FB he has a steep hill to climb with Paypal.


He hasn't had another post, but he's selling a couple other lenses. I'll keep monitoring.

Do Paypal look at feedback on this website too in case of a dispute?


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Aug 25, 2013 at 11:49 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


Wahoowa wrote:
He hasn't had another post, but he's selling a couple other lenses. I'll keep monitoring.

Do Paypal look at feedback on this website too for a case of dispute?


I don't really know but I doubt they look at it. I would put in a dispute and state the seller misrepresent the condition of the lens. I would not keep it if I can help it. In fact looking over your photos again I would say its more a 7+ or 8-



Aug 25, 2013 at 11:56 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


8+ and blatant attempt to hide damage. How do sellers like this sleep at night.


Aug 26, 2013 at 09:42 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


Got a hold of his Facebook account and his phone number. No response to both.


Aug 26, 2013 at 02:18 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · At what rating would you rate this lens?


I wouldn't wait any longer with pursuing through PayPal. The seller deserves nothing from you at this point Wahoowa. Calling that lens a 10/Mint is not defensible in any way.

This reminds me of why I dislike rating systems for condition. It seems better to state the facts about the lens. I'm original owner. Lens is 4 years old. Shows some normal wear and a few nicks and scuffs from a fall two years ago. Glass looks great, with only a few dust particles. Lens functions without issue.

Then take particular care to photograph the areas of concern.



Aug 26, 2013 at 02:40 PM
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