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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Best budget birding body ?


I am looking to get back into birding but on a cheap scale ie 300/4 plus 1.7TC and a DX body.

Having been away from this type of photography for a while (had d300 with 300/4 then 300/2.8 then went Canon 7D/500f4 then stopped birding and went back to nikon but D700 then D800E) , it seems that as the D400 still hasn't appeared and the newer D7000 and D7100 have such poor buffers that I may as well just stick with a used D300 and get 8fps with the grip for BIF. (Don't use video and only have CF cards so am assuming the D300S is not worth the extra.)

What say you ?

PS - Is the newer 2xTC III any good ?

TIA

Andy



Aug 04, 2013 at 08:09 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Best budget birding body ?


I try to shoot birds with a D7000. If buying now I would get a D7100.

You seem have decided the D300 is what you need because you need fps. If you think that is important then your decision is made.



Aug 04, 2013 at 11:20 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Best budget birding body ?


The D7100 is far superior to the D300 in terms of image quality (resolution, ISO performance) but if speed and buffer depth are a major concern I'd try to get by with the D300 for action shots and the D80OE for static shots and wait for the D400.


Aug 04, 2013 at 11:33 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Best budget birding body ?


Thanks. I was looking at the 7100 but people saying that the buffer is smaller than the 7000 and that the 7000 buffer was already small. Not sure how much bigger the d300 buffer is.
Also the d7000 / 7100 must have better AF than the older 300 ? Better iq ? Better higher iso ? I would only use the d300 at max 400 iso so the new bodies must be way better ?
The fps isn't so much of an issue 6 fps is good, (8 better obviously) it's more the buffer for bif.



Aug 04, 2013 at 11:38 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Best budget birding body ?


cadman342001 wrote:
I am looking to get back into birding but on a cheap scale ie 300/4 plus 1.7TC and a DX body.

Having been away from this type of photography for a while (had d300 with 300/4 then 300/2.8 then went Canon 7D/500f4 then stopped birding and went back to nikon but D700 then D800E) , it seems that as the D400 still hasn't appeared and the newer D7000 and D7100 have such poor buffers that I may as well just stick with a used D300 and get 8fps with the grip for BIF. (Don't use video and only have CF cards
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I'd go for a D300, you can get them for about $500 or so now. It's still a great camera for the money.



Aug 04, 2013 at 11:53 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Best budget birding body ?


I use the D800 in crop mode...you have the D800e with the 300/TC-17E II combo. Awesome handheld BIF rig.
THAT'S how you get back into 'birding'...w/o spending a dime.




  NIKON D800    500mm    f/8.0    1/1600s    800 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  NIKON D800    500mm    f/9.0    1/1250s    320 ISO    -0.7 EV  




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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Best budget birding body ?


I can answer 2 of your questions; I shot w/ two D300 from 2010-2011, and briefly w/ a D7k from 2011-2012.

My experience was that the D300 was fine up to ISO 800, and that the D7k had an equivalent level of at least ISO 1600.

The D300's AF was better than the D7k. My understanding is that the D7100 was given the D300's AF system.

So IMHO, it's a matter of choosing which is more important to you- better AF or better ISO.

Of course, a very key tie-breaker may be the different ergonomics; for ME, I found the D300 much easier to hold stable, and quicker access to change key settings w/ a button. Other people like the lighter weight of the D7k. If I were in your shoes, I'd rent 1 or both from someplace like LensRentals.com to see which works best for YOU.

In any case, don't spend months and months on this decision- I captured great wedding images w/ both the D7k and D300- really, even the D200 before I bought the D300's.

Hope that helps.


cadman342001 wrote:
Also the d7000 / 7100 must have better AF than the older 300 ? Better iq ? Better higher iso ? I would only use the d300 at max 400 iso so the new bodies must be way better ?




Aug 04, 2013 at 12:42 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Best budget birding body ?


I don't think you need anything more than your D800e, personally.

I mean, unless you want to blow a bunch of cash, the D7000 is no resolution improvement, no autofocus improvement, no buffer improvement, and only one more FPS (assuming shooting in DX mode on the D800e). The D7100 is more resolution, but no improvement to the AF, and again, step down in buffer...

I'm not sure how much you'll actually gain with a second body. 5 fps vs. 8 fps on the D300, but a also substantial step down in autofocus speed, high ISO performance and dynamic range, and for that you're spending many hundreds of dollars.



Aug 04, 2013 at 12:51 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Best budget birding body ?


binary visions wrote:
I don't think you need anything more than your D800e, personally.

I mean, unless you want to blow a bunch of cash, the D7000 is no resolution improvement, no autofocus improvement, no buffer improvement, and only one more FPS (assuming shooting in DX mode on the D800e). The D7100 is more resolution, but no improvement to the AF, and again, step down in buffer...

I'm not sure how much you'll actually gain with a second body. 5 fps vs. 8 fps on the D300, but a also substantial step down in autofocus speed, high ISO performance and dynamic range, and for
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With a grip and the right batteries you even have 6fps in DX-mode.



Aug 04, 2013 at 04:57 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Best budget birding body ?


trenchmonkey wrote:
I use the D800 in crop mode...you have the D800e with the 300/TC-17E II combo. Awesome handheld BIF rig.
THAT'S how you get back into 'birding'...w/o spending a dime.


Unfortunately Will I was planning on selling the D800e to finance the new rig !

However, despite that I'm liking your thinking and have decided to keep the 800, use it in crop mode and sell some mf lenses instead.

Thanks to everyone else for the replies also, might pick up a d7100 as a back up body for weddings etc. at some point.

Andy



Aug 05, 2013 at 06:13 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Best budget birding body ?


If all you want is a backup camera the D5200 is a better buy than the D7100 as long as you want DX and are willing to give up the 10-pin connctor. The only substantive advantage to the D7100 is the internal commander flash.


Aug 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM





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