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p.2 #1 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


RobDickinson wrote:
There is still no crop camera that performs like a 7d...


The 7D is a crop camera.



Aug 04, 2013 at 03:39 AM
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p.2 #2 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


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They would undercut too many sales of the 70D.


So, Canon would lose money if people spend more on the 7DII rather than spend less on the 70D .



Aug 04, 2013 at 03:39 AM
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p.2 #3 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


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Wow that really is sort of surprising and as well that it will re-use the 70D sensor ...


I don't believe that for a second.
Canon won't be able to charge too much premium for the 7DII if they reuse the 70D sensor.
So, unless they plan to announce the 7DII at $1300-1500, they will use a different sensor, IMO.

Announcement in H2 of 2014 is plausible, though.
As I've posted before, I believe that the 7DII will use a low noise 18MP 1.6x-1.5x sensor.
A well-spec'd 7DII with a clean sensor will undercut the 5DIII to some extent.
So, Canon will likely release the 7DII when they are basically ready with the 5DIII replacement.

That's my theory, at least. We'll see.


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Aug 04, 2013 at 03:48 AM
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p.2 #4 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


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I don't believe that for a second.
Canon won't be able to charge too much premium for the 7DII if they reuse the 70D sensor.
So, unless they plan to announce the 7DII at $1300-1500, they will use a different sensor, IMO.

We'll see.




Like how every cropper used the same 18mp sensor for years you mean?



Aug 04, 2013 at 03:52 AM
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p.2 #5 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


RobDickinson wrote:
Like how every cropper used the same 18mp sensor for years you mean?


Well, that's the thing.
Consumers have shown that they are paying a higher premium for image quality rather than for features.
That's why the 5DII and now the 6D have been commanding a higher premium than the 7D.

Canon should have learned this by now.
So, if they want to charge $1700-1800 for the 7DII, they will need to put a better sensor in the 7DII - not an even more advanced AF system.


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Aug 04, 2013 at 04:08 AM
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p.2 #6 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


That doesnt explain the 100d 600d 650d 700d 60d etc


Aug 04, 2013 at 04:10 AM
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p.2 #7 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


Consumers have shown they will buy a camera based on a range of things, only some of which are resolution and IQ related. Others are price, build, performance etc.


Aug 04, 2013 at 04:15 AM
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p.2 #8 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


RobDickinson wrote:
That doesnt explain the 100d 600d 650d 700d 60d etc


Yes but all these models are very close in price.

If Canon decides to reuse the 70D sensor, the 7DII will be close in price to the 70D.
But if they want a premium of $400+, they will put a better sensor.



Aug 04, 2013 at 04:15 AM
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p.2 #9 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


RobDickinson wrote:
Consumers have shown they will buy a camera based on a range of things, only some of which are resolution and IQ related. Others are price, build, performance etc.


Search the forums to see how many users are 'upgrading' from the 7D to the 6D.
These users are voting with their wallets that IQ is more important than features.

With a very well spec'd 70D, it will be even harder for Canon to charge a premium for the 7DII solely based on extra features.

Just my opinion anyway.



Aug 04, 2013 at 04:24 AM
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p.2 #10 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


My opinion is that an internet forum is far from an accurate source of data from which to infer broad market trends or find an average consumer.

It certainly does represent a group of like-minded consumers and professionals, but not the dominant group corporations are using to pays the bills.



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p.2 #11 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


What he said.


Aug 04, 2013 at 04:50 AM
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p.2 #12 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


jorkata wrote:
Well, that's the thing.
Consumers have shown that they are paying a higher premium for image quality rather than for features.
That's why the 5DII and now the 6D have been commanding a higher premium than the 7D.

Canon should have learned this by now.
So, if they want to charge $1700-1800 for the 7DII, they will need to put a better sensor in the 7DII - not an even more advanced AF system.


Well since the 7D is the compact action reach camera I do think it needs the more advanced at least 5D3-level AF first and foremost. They already have that though. IMO they should also fix up the pattern banding and low ISO DR of the 7D sensor for this one.



Aug 04, 2013 at 04:51 AM
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p.2 #13 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


Seems to me that DSLRs are now a very mature technology. Camera release after camera release is putting me to sleep frankly, nothing particularly new or exciting for a few years now IMHO. The idea of waiting now for more than a year for a camera that just Afs better in live view mode is incredibly dull.

Perhaps I should stop visiting gear fora for 5 years or so and then I can return in the hope that something interesting is going to be released.

If DSLR makers can't excite many of us with features the least they can do is lower the prices.

Sorry to seem jaded about all this, but I am.



Aug 04, 2013 at 08:19 AM
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p.2 #14 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


I'm going through some of my "RAW" files, shot with pretty much any digital camera I've owned in the past four years.

What stands out most: shitty shots are shitty shots, but the hot ones...are scintillating.

Gear has little if anything to do with it.



Aug 04, 2013 at 08:30 AM
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p.2 #15 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


I think Canon is waiting to see what Nikon does or doesn't do with the D300, D300s. The D300 is what made the 7D happen in the first place.


Aug 04, 2013 at 12:34 PM
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p.2 #16 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


IF the 7D is still selling well, why create a new one? What is Canon's motivation?

(This coming from someone who'd like to see better image quality from any new 7D design.)

I believe the most complaints were about the 7D's image quality, particularly its JPG engine. For example, the image processing done by the little EOS-M is far superior to that of the 7D, for both video and still shooting (at least that is what people are observing).

If a "5D3-like" AF system is put in a new 7D body this will likely bump the price to nearly $2K and probably even higher. Remember, the new AF system in the 5D3 essentially cost buyers about $1K.

To keep the price down and to address the biggest problem, I'd vote for better image quality above all else. If the 70D sensor can deliver that, great. If not, a better sensor is needed. I'd love to see a better focusing system in place, too, but I think we'd see a $2500 price tag for such a body. (I'm anxiously awaiting tests of the 70D sensor to see how well it performs.)

Canon will want to see a lot of 70D early adopters between now and Christmas. As such, I do not believe we'll see a 7D2 this calendar year.



Aug 04, 2013 at 12:57 PM
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p.2 #17 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


cameron12x wrote:
IF the 7D is still selling well, why create a new one? What is Canon's motivation?


I'm not sure how good Canon's intelligence is, but if any company waits until others have far superior products it is often too late and takes years to catch up.

EBH



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p.2 #18 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


EB-1 wrote:
I'm not sure how good Canon's intelligence is, but if any company waits until others have far superior products it is often too late and takes years to catch up.


You're right, I should have stated my proposition slightly differently:

IF the 7D is still selling well, why release a new model?

(It is assumed that Canon's R&D is CONSTANTLY working on new models; whether they are released is another question and is up to sales and marketing.)



Aug 04, 2013 at 02:39 PM
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p.2 #19 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


cameron12x wrote:
IF the 7D is still selling well, why release a new model?

Because there's a lot of 7D owners that will upgrade (me included).

Cheers,
Harry C



Aug 04, 2013 at 05:03 PM
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p.2 #20 · 7D2 late 2014 now? (despite re-using 70D sensor?)


Harry.C wrote:
Because there's a lot of 7D owners that will upgrade (me included).

Cheers,
Harry C


You, and me, and thousands of others.



Aug 04, 2013 at 05:30 PM
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