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Archive 2013 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?
  
 
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p.1 #1 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


From reviewing the 'State of you gear' thread, it seems some folks (like me) are indicating that possibility that they will sell their Canon, Nikon, etc., DSLR for something like a Sony NEX FF. So, I thought it would be interesting to poll to that question.


Jul 19, 2013 at 02:17 PM
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p.1 #2 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I voted for the first option, but the fourth option also works for me: i.e. I'll continue to use both DSLR and mirrorless. It's quite possible that a mirrorless camera will someday do what my 1DX can do, but that won't be for a while, and it'll probably look a lot like the 1DX.


Jul 19, 2013 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #3 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


Already switched (about 2 years ago), but I probably will not go to a FF mirrorless solution unless they can make the lenses quite small. I don't think I'd want a FF mirrorless for all my needs. While you can make a kit that does 21-135mm or so relatively small, once you start getting beyond 135mm, there's really not much you can do to make the lenses small. If you want 300mm in reach, it's going to be a pretty big lens. If you want 400mm and some speed, it's going to be huge. That's all there is to it; I'm done with huge.


Jul 19, 2013 at 02:26 PM
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p.1 #4 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I went with option 4, simply because that's the way I see it playing out now, but I can't say with any certainty. If we actually get a FF NEX and it's comfortable to use with teles I can hand-hold on the a99, then the a99 might go, but I suspect that won't be the case. I also suspect it won't have the a99's fully articulated screen, and I've grown quite fond of that feature.


Jul 19, 2013 at 02:51 PM
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p.1 #5 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I took the last choice, as I've been happily using my NEX6 for a few months now.
Speed Booster type adapters have really given these a much better spot in the market IMO, and will make any FF entry to the NEX line(if that's first) a more difficult sell, IMO.



Jul 19, 2013 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #6 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


This is all great discussion. I feel like I'm on the verge of making the switch. I love the Sony RX1 and I've played with the NEX 5N and 7 for a time. Also liked the Olympus OM-D but felt it didn't quite match the output of my FF Canon. While I shoot mostly primes I occasionally like to shoot long too so I need a good substitute for my 70-200 f/2.8 II if I make the jump. Otherwise, I'll keep the 7D with that lens for those times I need it. For me, it will depend on the reality of the NEX-FF rumors. Sony has proven outstanding quality with the RX1 sensor . . . but that in a full frame package and I could be there.


Jul 19, 2013 at 03:28 PM
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p.1 #7 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I dig the idea of a full frame x100-type camera. However, if I'm honest with myself, it wouldn't give me any advantages over my D700 for weddings besides the smaller size, and I'd have trouble justifying it for personal work. However, when I permanently stop shooting for money, I'll definitely sell all the DSLR gear, and at that point, I'd consider one (although there's a good chance I'd still spring for something cheaper, like a used x100s, etc).


Jul 19, 2013 at 03:34 PM
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p.1 #8 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


Jman13 wrote:
..... While you can make a kit that does 21-135mm or so relatively small, once you start getting beyond 135mm, there's really not much you can do to make the lenses small. If you want 300mm in reach, it's going to be a pretty big lens. If you want 400mm and some speed, it's going to be huge. ....


Thats the key... I am finding myself rarely using more than 100mm on crop camera... Its years I touched 200mm or 300mm.... May be I am not visiting zoo too many time

Unless you really need high resolution (may be DR), for most of the people, long tel photo lens on full frame provide disadvantage...

I remember Nikon used to provide 1.5x and 2.0x crop factor with single body. yes you can crop, but in built crop feature gives advantage in composition as well as buffer size...
Will be happy if Sony NEX provide FF as well as 1.5x crop factor as body feature....



Jul 19, 2013 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #9 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I never had a DSLR. I have gone from film Leica SLRs, Mamiya 7II and Rolleiflex 12/24 3.5F Planar MF cameras, and 4" X 5" Linhof and Toho cameras to Canon G9 and Canon G10 digital point and shoot, to Lumix G1 and then to Fujifilm XE-1 Mirrorless cameras.

I hope if Sony get it right or close to right to get the anticipated FF NEX. The Leica M240 just had too many limitations with the non scrolling EVF.

Rich



Jul 19, 2013 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #10 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


naturephoto1 wrote:
I never had a DSLR. I have gone from film Leica SLRs, Mamiya 7II and Rolleiflex 12/24 3.5F Planar MF cameras, and 4" X 5" Linhof and Toho cameras to Canon G9 and Canon G10 digital point and shoot, to Lumix G1 and then to Fujifilm XE-1 Mirrorless cameras.

I hope if Sony get it right or close to right to get the anticipated FF NEX. The Leica M240 just had too many limitations with the non scrolling EVF.

Rich


RIch, my hunch is that, being an R lens user, the FF NEX will be perfect for you. I guess we'll see soon enough.



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douglasf13 wrote:
RIch, my hunch is that, being an R lens user, the FF NEX will be perfect for you. I guess we'll see soon enough.


Douglas,

I can only hope. And if the Sony does well with some of the Leica and Zeiss M mount lenses, I may opt for one of those in a 21mm and/or 35mm for usage and replacement of the R lens versions.

Rich



Jul 19, 2013 at 05:19 PM
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p.1 #12 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


naturephoto1 wrote:
Douglas,

I can only hope. And if the Sony does well with some of the Leica and Zeiss M mount lenses, I may opt for one of those in a 21mm and/or 35mm for usage and replacement of the R lens versions.

Rich


That I'm not as confident in.



Jul 19, 2013 at 05:48 PM
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p.1 #13 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


douglasf13 wrote:
That I'm not as confident in.


Neither am I. We will have to wait on that. If camera does not play nice with those lenses, I may opt for a Zeiss ZE version of these lenses.

Rich



Jul 19, 2013 at 05:52 PM
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p.1 #14 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


Voted #4, I guess I'm a bit slow on the tech curve. My 1ds2 is fully depreciated and with three ZEs I see no real reason to sell. I love the NEX5n for its size and Sony's sensor and have been greatly tempted by the RX1. A FF frame NEX may push the 1ds2 out the door though as long as the ZE's work well.


Jul 20, 2013 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #15 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


where is the option for "no interest at all in evil!"?


Jul 20, 2013 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #16 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


rodmcwha wrote:
where is the option for "no interest at all in evil!"?


What, and lose the pro EVIL bias? Not likely.




Jul 20, 2013 at 01:19 PM
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p.1 #17 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


Interesting poll results so far. I voted #5 "I've already transitioned from DSLR to EVIL."

But I don't think I'm interested in a full-frame EVIL. The idea of going with m4/3 EVIL for me was several fold:

  1. I like long lenses!!! So something like a $800 FD 300/2.8L gives me 600MM FOV from the sweetest part of the lens and a 2.8 light level coming in! Sweeeeet! But to match something like that on a fullframe I'm going to need $4k - and actually it may not even exist at all.

  2. I like inexpensive goods and Pana/Oly cameras drop like Pb (82) just six months to a year after they release. I think I paid $550 for my 1st GH1 about 7 or 8 months after it released. My next two GH1's were all under $401. And whoever got my old ones got them a little more used for like $300 to $350. All mine came to me with less than 1,000 actuations and departed with about 20,000 to 30,000 actuations. About 16 to 18 months after the GH2 released I upgraded to that - I paid $550 for it with 221 actuations on it. I think this is about the price makers should be charging for them new myself and something like the D800 should be around the $1,500 mark but that's me. Anyway a FF EVIL with today's inflated dollar is likely to be way up past the $2k mark and more likely even a ways past the $3k mark. When I see prices like that my middle finger gets all rigid and stuff and I seriously doubt I'll be able to find a low actuation used one for like $750 or something reasonable.

  3. Flange distance! Yeah, I love to fiddle around with old lenses. That's where almost all my fun comes from. And I like to be able to try out any lens mentioned here or in other forums. I guess some of you have seen this before? About a forth of those probably wouldn't be adaptable to a camera properly designed for a FF sensor. Another percentage would likely vignette like crazy - UG! And then there's that corner color shift which even Sony's APS-C suffers from. I took a look at some of those things awhile back and decided the only tech solution would be to incorporate a flexible curved sensor - and tho I haven't checked recently I guess it's still the case that such sensors remain in specialist engineering and corporate speciality device fields.

  4. And finally I think to really enjoy all aspects of FF photography a count of 30 to 40 megapixels would be needed. Just compare he D700 to the D800 for some idea of what I mean - without me having to explain it - and I'm not sure I'm ready for that. It would mean I have to replace my computer with something that sports a Thunderbolt or Thunderbolt2 interconnect for sure. I would probably need or want to go with a 4K monitor. And I would probably need to add an SSD array. I might be more picky than the average photog, I dunno but I wouldn't be having much fun editing images like even the D800 produces on my current 8-core 2.66GHz MacPro (which has 32GB RAM, 4-Drive rotational RAID0, and a GTX570) - it's just not fast enough (for me). Already 16mpx images don't move fast enough most of the time.

So those are my 4 reasons against vs. more dynamic range and a little better resolution. I dunno, but at this point the decision doesn't look too difficult. All I really want (that I don't have) on my GH2 is a faster continuous mode. I want 16mpx RAW actuations at about 15 to 20FPS with about a 20 frame buffer. Had I that I could rest and be happy in almost every situation.






Jul 20, 2013 at 01:56 PM
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p.1 #18 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


For me it depends on the viewfinder, responsiveness, file quality, and how much longer the DMR functions.


Jul 20, 2013 at 04:23 PM
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p.1 #19 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I ditched my Canon 5D2 for a Fuji X-E1 and an X100. This move has restored quite a bit of fun in my photography.
Update: probably I will only use the 18-55 on the X-E1, I seem to be able to resist the 55-200, even with the money from the sale of the ZE21. The 10-24 might be interesting though...
Also, the new X-E1 firmware is really great, focusing in a dimly lit room works very well now.

Now, if I only could sell those darn Zeiss lenses without a huge loss ...
Update 1: ZE 21 is gone, 3 more to go!

Full frame only means reduced DOF to me, nothing more: there is no such thing as FF magic. Large pixels = great high ISO used to be he trick, but the 16 MP @ ISO 3200 of the E-X1 is all I need.
Greatly Reduced DOF will be possible with the announced 56 mm 1.2 or a Speedbooster.

YMMV

Update 2: started with the LEE Seven5 filter system. That might grow a little bit.

Edited on Jul 25, 2013 at 11:43 AM · View previous versions



Jul 20, 2013 at 04:37 PM
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p.1 #20 · Planning to ditch your DSLR for full frame EVIL?


I voted for #4. I'm pretty sure I'll pick a FF EVIL when the body gets cheaper or Sony improves the newer bodies. However, there are certain types of lenses such as fast zooms or long telephoto that will probably not be ergonomically friendly on a smaller FF EVIL body since they'll be large compared to the camera body.


Jul 20, 2013 at 04:37 PM
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