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p.6 #1 · p.6 #1 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


I think both canon and nikon have done really poor jobs positioning their DSLR models. Way too confusing and far too much overlap. They are throwing crap against the wall hoping something will stick when there should be clear differentiation among models. The delay in replacing the D300 has been a joke. Same for Nikons overall crop camera and lens family. They have lost momentum in this format ever since they launched the D3 and variants juggernaut.


Jul 11, 2013 at 02:40 PM
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p.6 #2 · p.6 #2 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


Andre Labonte wrote:
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Well that's encouraging. I suspect the new zoom will be another 18-XX consumer lens, but there's always hope that it will be something cool like:

16-60 f/2.8 AFS VR DX
45-135 f/2.8 AFS VR DX

But honestly, at this point I just want to see some DX love from Nikon.


It would be great to see some fast new pro-level DX zooms from Nikon. I was thinking that simply updating the 17-55 f2.8 AF-S DX to include VR would be nice.



Jul 11, 2013 at 03:28 PM
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p.6 #3 · p.6 #3 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


I thought this was out already ... oh wait, that's the D7100... it's the D400 everyone wanted only the body isn't quite as tough ... yup.


Jul 11, 2013 at 04:52 PM
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p.6 #4 · p.6 #4 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


rjk55425 wrote:
I think both canon and nikon have done really poor jobs positioning their DSLR models. Way too confusing and far too much overlap. They are throwing crap against the wall hoping something will stick when there should be clear differentiation among models. The delay in replacing the D300 has been a joke. Same for Nikons overall crop camera and lens family. They have lost momentum in this format ever since they launched the D3 and variants juggernaut.


I agree with that. Ten years ago, it was easy to keep with Nikon's lineup. You had the DX series that were pro cameras (D1, D2, etc.), the DX00 series that were prosumer cameras, and the DX0 series that were somewhat of an entry level series. And every new model was the next number up. Then they went nuts with the D3000, D5000, D7000, went from the D300 to the D700 which aren't the same class, then the D800 (which actually was an update to the D700), but then come out with the D600 which is a FX camera in the body similar to the D7000. Until a couple of weeks ago, I thought the D600 was just another DX camera in a small body. I was surprised to learn it's a FX camera. Keep it simple.

As for the D400, I'll believe it when I see it. But if they are making it, then it needs to have the innards of the D600 with a DX sensor and the same buttons as the D300 and D700. Anything less than that, people will just gravitate toward the D7100.



Jul 11, 2013 at 05:21 PM
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Cagey75 wrote:
I thought this was out already ... oh wait, that's the D7100... it's the D400 everyone wanted only the body isn't quite as tough ... yup.


Nope.

No 10 pin connector, no AF-ON button (programmable AE-L or not, the Dx00 bodies had both), no DC input, very shallow buffer, middling FPS, and a number of ergonomic disadvantages. Physical ergonomics (the mode dial is silly and a pain), and also a number of issues with the displays: no metering mode displayed in the viewfinder (I hate this, it's actually a major usability problem for me), no GPS icon anywhere but on the rear LCD info screen... I know there are a couple others that I'm not thinking of.

I like the D7100 a lot, but in a number of fairly important ways, it's not a replacement for the D300.



Jul 11, 2013 at 05:55 PM
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p.6 #6 · p.6 #6 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


Nikon to make smartphone?


Maybe they might name it D400?



Jul 11, 2013 at 06:26 PM
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M Lucca wrote:
Nikon to make smartphone?

Maybe they might name it D400?


Now you're just trolling!



Jul 11, 2013 at 07:09 PM
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Andre Labonte wrote:
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Well that's encouraging. I suspect the new zoom will be another 18-XX consumer lens, but there's always hope that it will be something cool like:

16-60 f/2.8 AFS VR DX
45-135 f/2.8 AFS VR DX

But honestly, at this point I just want to see some DX love from Nikon.



Yeah, I think a nice small 2.8 tele-lens would be cool from Nikon. A 55-150 would be nice. The awesome Tokina 50-135 is gone and the new Sigma 50-150 OS is pretty pointless because it's as big as there 70-200 OS.

I hope there is a D400 soon. I got my 80-400 wish, so now all I need is my D400 wish to come ture.




Jul 11, 2013 at 08:21 PM
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binary visions wrote:
Nope.

No 10 pin connector, no AF-ON button (programmable AE-L or not, the Dx00 bodies had both), no DC input, very shallow buffer, middling FPS, and a number of ergonomic disadvantages. Physical ergonomics (the mode dial is silly and a pain), and also a number of issues with the displays: no metering mode displayed in the viewfinder (I hate this, it's actually a major usability problem for me), no GPS icon anywhere but on the rear LCD info screen... I know there are a couple others that I'm not thinking of.

I like the D7100 a lot, but in a number
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A completely unusable buffer...



Jul 12, 2013 at 12:28 AM
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p.6 #10 · p.6 #10 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


rickde wrote:
Just a rumor but Nikon Rumors is saying there will be a wave of new Nikon products announced this coming August/September. These will possibly include the D400 and a new DX zoom as well as a new 300 f/4 lens:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/07/09/new-wave-of-nikon-announcements-coming-in-augustseptember-d400-a-possibility.aspx/


The D400 & 300VR f4 rumours have been doing the rounds for 3 years at least Supposedly a month out from release and NR still saying only 60% chance of a D400

Maybe they meant August 2014

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A completely unusable buffer...


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Yea ... what's the point of having even midling FPS if the buffer prevents you from using it.?





Jul 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM
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Yea ... what's the point of having even midling FPS if the buffer prevents you from using it.?

Guess you guys don't know the trick. SanDisk 95MB/s card, 12-bit Compressed, crop mode. You'll get about a 14-15 shot burst and almost instant buffer recovery. Absolutely amazing for sports.



Jul 13, 2013 at 02:01 AM
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p.6 #13 · p.6 #13 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


Blue Bomber.......

The whole reason I bought the D7100 was to use the 24 mpx sensor, not some subset of it.

And I prefer shooting in 14 bit mode because I do a lot of low-light work and prefer the extra color depth for pulling the exposures up where needed.

So to me the body is a "tease" for what could/should be done for outdoor and wildlife/sports photography.



Jul 13, 2013 at 03:47 AM
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p.6 #14 · p.6 #14 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


The Nikon D300 was announced in August 2007, and the D300S update with video recording was announced in July 2009.
Now 6 years and 4 years later respectively, the "D400" still hasn't been announced.
In the digital era with its fast pace of development this is a quite unusual amount of time between a new model and its predecessor.
The D7100 could have been most of what I needed for a DX camera were it not for its noticeably limited buffer capacity, which strongly indicates that there will actually be some kind of another more full-blown DX successor to the D300.

But why does it take Nikon so long, why does it seem like the introduction has been postponed, maybe even more than once ?
Are they in some way changing concept during the development, switching to some newer technologies in the DX line ?
Like some sort of mirrorless viewfinder ?
Or some sort of electronic shutter ?
Or a wooden handgrip and a pair of white gloves ?
Or do you expect the D400 to be a classical DSLR just with updated specifications ?

I have a vague suspicion there must be some sort of change of concept starting in the DX line, since it takes them so long ?
So what's up, what do you think, where's the DX line heading ?



Jul 14, 2013 at 07:44 PM
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p.6 #15 · p.6 #15 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


My guess is the release of the D400 was slowed down a lot due to the Tsunami.


Steve



Jul 15, 2013 at 04:20 AM
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BlueBomberTurbo wrote:
Guess you guys don't know the trick. SanDisk 95MB/s card, 12-bit Compressed, crop mode. You'll get about a 14-15 shot burst and almost instant buffer recovery. Absolutely amazing for sports.


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I should not need to shoot in crop mode on a DX body to get decent FPS and buffer depth ... the point is I'm already compromising on sensor size going down to DX and you want me to crop further!!!!

Also, at 8 FPS, 14 shots is not even 2 seconds. A lot of sports plays and other action will go on for as long as 5 seconds. < 2 seconds of buffer in crop mode is pathetic. A buffer depth of 4 seconds at full DX frame is the minimum that is acceptable.



Jul 15, 2013 at 03:15 PM
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p.6 #17 · p.6 #17 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


Guess you guys don't know the trick. SanDisk 95MB/s card, 12-bit Compressed, crop mode. You'll get about a 14-15 shot burst and almost instant buffer recovery. Absolutely amazing for sports.


I would have a problem wanting to shoot an already cropped sensor in crop mode. I mean it's great that works for now, but its not what a d300s replacement should bring to the table. IMO



Jul 15, 2013 at 04:11 PM
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I wish NIkon can have buffer upgrades as a real option. Send camera in, increase buffer for a reasonable price. that way they can keep cost down for those who don't need it, and it's available for those who do.

Been waiting too long for a D400. And I need a DX body soon. Absolutely by early August. If the D400 isn't going to be available till Sept, I might as well buy a D7100 or D5200 for now.

The crazy delays are costing Nikon a lot of sales. I'm sure a lot of people have been holding off busying anything until they see their full options, just as I have been.



Jul 15, 2013 at 04:35 PM
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Chestnut wrote:
I wish NIkon can have buffer upgrades as a real option. Send camera in, increase buffer for a reasonable price. that way they can keep cost down for those who don't need it, and it's available for those who do.

Been waiting too long for a D400. And I need a DX body soon. Absolutely by early August. If the D400 isn't going to be available till Sept, I might as well buy a D7100 or D5200 for now.

The crazy delays are costing Nikon a lot of sales. I'm sure a lot of people have been holding off busying anything until
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Buffer upgrades! That would be sweet!

I agree that not offering a D400 is hurting Nikon ... not just in camera bodies, but in lenses ... I've been holding off buying some lenses to see if Nikon will truely support DX going forward or not.



Jul 15, 2013 at 07:53 PM
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p.6 #20 · p.6 #20 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


butchM wrote:
they may be taking a bit more time for the next step ... Hey ... they haven't sold out of the D300s yet ... both B&H and Adorama seem to have them in stock ...


Didn't stop them from releasing the D7000 or the D7100 even though the D90 is still widely available. And, to top it off, the D90 is still selling for about the same price I paid almost 4 years ago.



Jul 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM
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