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p.31 #1 · p.31 #1 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


Andre Labonte wrote:
No, it does not matter ... but I would not say his credibility in general is hurt by this ... I


Says one who edits the title of this thread at the end of every month.



Dec 10, 2013 at 06:46 PM
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p.31 #2 · p.31 #2 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


D9000? I think I'll wait for D10000


Dec 10, 2013 at 08:17 PM
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p.31 #3 · p.31 #3 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


lara_ckl wrote:
Says one who edits the title of this thread at the end of every month.




Guilty as charged!



Dec 10, 2013 at 09:57 PM
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p.31 #4 · p.31 #4 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


EB-1 wrote:
Does it really matter? He has very little credibility now.

EBH


Well, I wouldn't go that far. I think Thom is right...the D9000/D400/D7200 or whatever you want to call it is coming if only because Nikon HAS to fill the DX high-end gap, especially given the slowing DSLR market.

But for me, unless Nikon steps up and upgrades it's superteles, Canon is my future. All Canon needs to do is to bring out a cheezy 7DII upgrade to make me happy.



Dec 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM
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p.31 #5 · p.31 #5 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


There's two problems with the D400/D9000

The first is obvious, the D300s was a megaflop due to being a me-too upgrade (video & an SD slot do not a real upgrade make). I doubt Nikon has done a production run for the D300s in 2 years and they still have stock.

The second issue is how big is the real market for it anyways. There always were two types of D300 buyers. The first needed the speed/AF/build. The second simply needed something the D90 lacked, be it an AI tab, half-decent AF, weather-sealing, but would have otherwise been happy with a D90 class body.

The D7x00 series bodies clearly answer the second need, particularly the D7100 with the 51-point AF. The question for Nikon really is if there is enough of a market above the D7100 for a pro DX body. There certainly was for for the D300 above the D80/D90, but those bodies were well below the D7100 in capability and plenty of people who would today be satisfied with D7x00's had needs that couldn't be answered by the D80/D90 and therefore went D300.

I know for myself I held off on buying a D300 until the D90 announcement. When there was no AI tab I bought the D300, despite knowing it was too much body for me (I never liked the size & weight). Today even if the D400/D9000 was announced I wouldn't buy, because in DX the D7x00's are the body I wanted the D90 to be.

The question remains. How much of the market is in my shoes, and how much really does need something more. It's clear there is a market for the D400/D9000, just not how big it actually is.



Dec 11, 2013 at 03:47 AM
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p.31 #6 · p.31 #6 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


What if Nikon does make the D400 in 2014?
How many would buy it if it has a $1500 D300 body but made from light weight
one piece (monocoque) carbon fiber reinforced thermoplatic?
All the control buttons programable.
Has Expeed 4, 51 pt focusing, large fast cache (buffer), 8+ fps. with two CF/SD card slots.
Support for exFAT file system and/or 60minutes of smooth 1080P 60 Video output by producing continuing segments at 4 GB each.
16-24 MegaPixel Sensor with great images at 12,800 ISO.
Fast-Accurate FullTime AutoFocus.

After producing an amazing D5300, I am sure Nikon could do this.
I want to pre-order one now!



Dec 11, 2013 at 07:47 AM
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p.31 #7 · p.31 #7 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


mawz wrote:
The question remains. How much of the market is in my shoes, and how much really does need something more. It's clear there is a market for the D400/D9000, just not how big it actually is.


The market for a D400/D9000 is anyone who shoots wildlife/sports/action. Particularly if it comes at the specs Roger mentioned above, i.e. Great ISO performance, high FPS/buffer, pro body, etc... I am very happy with the D7100, but I don't shoot for a living and I understand why some find it limiting (build, controls, buffer, relatively low FPS).

There is an obvious gap in the Nikon lineup and, at the same time, a lot of redundancy and iteration so I honestly don't understand the argument against a D400



Dec 11, 2013 at 08:06 AM
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p.31 #8 · p.31 #8 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


hijazist wrote:
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There is an obvious gap in the Nikon lineup and, at the same time, a lot of redundancy and iteration so I honestly don't understand the argument against a D400


Perfectly said.



Dec 11, 2013 at 01:36 PM
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p.31 #9 · p.31 #9 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


RRRoger wrote:
How many would buy it if it has a $1500 D300 body but made from light weight
one piece (monocoque) carbon fiber reinforced thermoplatic?


For me, if they change from magnesium to carbon fiber reinforced thermoplatic, I would want to know (meaning wait and see) how impact resistant the new body is.



Dec 11, 2013 at 03:51 PM
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p.31 #10 · p.31 #10 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


If they stuff a D7100 ability into a pro body, I'll buy.

Whatever the case, I can manage with the 7100's for now, and have only just switched my studio rig up from a d5100 to a d5200.

It really becomes a question of value versus need.

If the need is for a pro style body, the D7100 does a half job IMO, but the interior parts are plenty for most with that same need. If the need is for features, then the D7100 does 99% of it.

However, If value is in question, and you plan to shoot pro with these things, a D400 would be a no brainer. Assuming it is with a longer lasting shutter, better (read: easier to set up and change settings) body format faster AF (?), more robust body casing/better weather sealing, faster X-sync. etc.



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p.31 #11 · p.31 #11 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


lara_ckl wrote:
For me, if they change from magnesium to carbon fiber reinforced thermoplatic, I would want to know (meaning wait and see) how impact resistant the new body is.



Usually there is far less damage to the lightweight body when it is dropped accidenly, especially internal damage.
Adding Carbon fiber can only help.
The only camera (and I don't know why) I ever dropped was a D5100.
It showed no damage what-so-ever untill the third time to a concrete floor.
That put a crack in the base, but the camera still worked perfect.
And it was not reinforced with Carbon Fiber.

By the way this is very similar to what they are using for the new combat helmets.
They are not only much lighter, but more bullet resistant too.



Dec 11, 2013 at 05:32 PM
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p.31 #12 · p.31 #12 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


That's exactly what we need...bullet-proof cameras!


Dec 11, 2013 at 05:47 PM
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p.31 #13 · p.31 #13 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


runamuck wrote:
That's exactly what we need...bullet-proof cameras!



Could be an issue if you are a PJ covering a war!



Dec 11, 2013 at 05:58 PM
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p.31 #14 · p.31 #14 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


"Still using a D300 here. I donīt need video on my digital still camera."

Well said. I am itching for a different body now but it will be full frame so that my lenses do what they are supposed to do. I don't know about the Nikon Df. All of those wheels on the top seem silly, and probably make it slower to operate and it is expensive. The D600 has no PC socket. I am thru with cameras that don't have a PC socket. It is a PITA for me to carry something like an AR-7 that allows PC use in emergencies (those malfunction too), or when not using my flash bracket with a TTL cord zip tied and velcro-ed down to it, or when the Nikon TTL cord pulls apart while hand holding it with the flash. It is so convenient to carry a couple of PC cords in the bag. Does Nikon listen to us anyway?




Dec 11, 2013 at 06:32 PM
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p.31 #15 · p.31 #15 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


NathanHamler wrote:
This. My bet is the D400 never happens.

The D7100 has 24mp, a 1.3x crop ability, dual cards, the same AF system from the D800/D4, and "D800 level weather sealing".......this IS the "D400".....

The fact that everyone still wants a D300/D700/D800 size body, faster frame rate, and a deeper buffer means NOTHING to Nikon....they've already release their flagship DX body.....deal with it.



Yeah, the D7100 is a "Flagship" DX body if you shoot JPG then it's fine.



Dec 11, 2013 at 06:49 PM
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p.31 #16 · p.31 #16 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


Wow, 31 pages on this topic!
I didn't read all 31 pages, but my .02 is that there will no D400, but the D7200 will come out early (how early I don't know) and it will have a large enough raw buffer to satisfy most peoples needs.



Dec 11, 2013 at 10:21 PM
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p.31 #17 · p.31 #17 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


I'm thinking of selling my gripped D300s (not using it) if anyone regrets getting rid of theirs too soon. Pretty much all FF here, but a rocking DX with better high iso would be appealing for sure.


Dec 12, 2013 at 02:38 AM
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p.31 #18 · p.31 #18 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


blutch wrote:
I'm thinking of selling my gripped D300s (not using it) if anyone regrets getting rid of theirs too soon. Pretty much all FF here, but a rocking DX with better high iso would be appealing for sure.


Unfortunately the D5300 lacks the size and controls of the D300
But it does "rock" especially at ISO 12,800



Dec 12, 2013 at 02:49 AM
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p.31 #19 · p.31 #19 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


RRRoger wrote:
Unfortunately the D5300 lacks the size and controls of the D300
But it does "rock" especially at ISO 12,800



Really, wow, amazing how technology marches on ...



Dec 12, 2013 at 04:54 PM
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p.31 #20 · p.31 #20 · D400 in 2014 or Bust


mawz wrote:
The question remains. How much of the market is in my shoes, and how much really does need something more. It's clear there is a market for the D400/D9000, just not how big it actually is.


Hard to say, but I agree there is a clear market for a D400. Of course, when I read posts of people agonizing over wanting to buy a DF from somewhere other than Amazon to save the tax, maybe the D400 would be a hard sell. Gotta save those bucks wherever we can, I guess.

Myself, I like the idea of the choice of a D400 or D7XXX series camera. Keeping the D300S in the lineup doesn't make sense if they are not going to upgrade it. Technology changes fast, so when no upgrade is forthcoming the gear appears way out of date.

Given the choice I would seriously consider a D400. Other than in my Canon G1X, 12 MP is the highest resolution I have in a camera. I could use a lighter body too, but there is something about the D300 body that appeals to me and keeps me coming back for more.

Maybe I will be working again by the time Nikon releases an upgrade so I could afford one!

David




Dec 13, 2013 at 01:09 PM
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