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Sir_Loin
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I've been pondering this for a while and I was wondering if anyone else feels the same.

We all know the 16-35 and 17-40 zooms cover the ultra wide angle focal lengths, but edge performance and distortion in particular aren't what you would call stellar so should Canon plug the rather wide gap between its 14L and 24L primes? I'm ignoring the 17mm TSE lens as not everyone wants or needs such a specialist lens. I personally think it could be a winner for Canon to introduce an 18L or 20L prime that could compete with the Zeiss 18mm and 21mm lenses.

What do others think?



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:46 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I was surprised they redid the 14mm and got rid of the 15mm fisheye, so hard to predict what they might do in the specialty arena. If they do it, IMHO the should go with 18mm f/2.8.


Jun 15, 2013 at 05:24 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I don't really feel the same. I have a 14mm rokinon and the 16-35 and feel I'm pretty well covered. They do have the 17mm tilt/shift which is very flexible, but manual focus. Also the 24mm tilt/shift is quite wide if you do a stitch with it. I don't think they would sell enough of a lens in the 18-21mm to justify the expense of developing it. They also have the fisheye zoom as an option.


Jun 15, 2013 at 05:43 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


Are there any ultra wide angle lenses, prime or otherwise, out there without any distortion? Even Zeiss lenses are not distortion free . Nowadays distortion, vignetting, etc. can be fixed in just a click or two in PP. Ultra wide angle lenses are mostly for landscape or architectural photography, where tripod is mostly used. In addition, folks tend to stop down their lenses to get the desired depth of field. Canon has two excellent lenses for that, the 17mm and 24mm TS-E.

To answer you questions, no, I do not feel the need for Canon to come up with another lens covering that FL range.



Jun 15, 2013 at 05:47 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


Interesting thoughts so far.

As I said in my OP though, not everyone wants or needs a manual focus TSE lens that's why I discounted the 17mm TSE. I still feel the gap between the 14L and 24L prime lenses is too big and I think there would be a market for an AF 18mm or 20mm L lens.

Horses for courses I suppose, but I'd be certainly interested in such a lens.



Jun 15, 2013 at 06:04 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I dunno. Once you get wider than 24mm, autofocus isn't such a big deal. Between 14mm and 24mm you already have the 17 TSE and the Zeiss 21, perfectly spaced, both stellar performers. Don't see the need.


Jun 15, 2013 at 06:33 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


Sir_Loin wrote:
Interesting thoughts so far.

As I said in my OP though, not everyone wants or needs a manual focus TSE lens that's why I discounted the 17mm TSE. I still feel the gap between the 14L and 24L prime lenses is too big and I think there would be a market for an AF 18mm or 20mm L lens.

Horses for courses I suppose, but I'd be certainly interested in such a lens.



You were referring to Zeiss lenses in your OP, which are MF lenses. So, I thought you would be OK with MF. We all know the AF is less critical in wide angle lenses, especially in UWA lenses.

Hm, it looks like I am a step behind here. Oh, well .



Jun 15, 2013 at 06:38 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


Originally I was thinking the same thing regarding a high end between the 14 and 24 that has AF. Most landscape photogs don't care enough about AF at the wide end and anyone that needs ranges between 14 and 24 have a 16-35. I recently sold my 16-35 just because I want to shoot all primes and for the wide end, I can use a ZE21 or even the 14 and just move.


Jun 15, 2013 at 06:47 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I would love a 20 mm f/2.8 IS along the lines of the recent 24, 28 and 35 mm.


Jun 15, 2013 at 06:50 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I own the 24L f1.4 Mk2. I would certainly consider a revamped Canon 20mm or even a 18mm as long as they weren't "L" lenses. If they were Ls they would be very expensive, and I would be unlikely to spend a huge amount of cash on a new wide as long as the Samyang 14mm were available for comparatively little money.


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I own the 17 TS-E and the 24 TS-E II, and I wouldn't mind having a modern high-quality AF 16-18mm prime that's f/2.8 and takes filters easily. Surely it must be possible?

I guess the Zeiss ZE 18/3.5 is the only good auto-aperture-ultra-wide-angle-that-takes-regular-filters-and-with-electronic contacts that is available for Canon? (I have OCD in regards to EXIF, I want full lens registration )



Jun 15, 2013 at 11:18 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I was going to say that the Zeiss 18/3.5 ZE fills that gap, but you beat me to it.

I have the 18ZE, and it nicely fills the gap between my Samyang UMC 14/2.8 and EF 24-70/2.8L II. I also have the TS-E 17/4L and 24/3.5L II, but they're a different sort of thing.

P.S. the ZE lenses provide focal length and aperture setting data to the EXIF file. It's almost las if they were made for Canon cameras...



Jun 16, 2013 at 12:23 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


Sir_Loin wrote:
Interesting thoughts so far.

As I said in my OP though, not everyone wants or needs a manual focus TSE lens that's why I discounted the 17mm TSE. I still feel the gap between the 14L and 24L prime lenses is too big and I think there would be a market for an AF 18mm or 20mm L lens.

Horses for courses I suppose, but I'd be certainly interested in such a lens.


I still say the 17mm T&S coves it. The onyl difference is MF only, but 17-18mm is getting pretty wide on FF and maybe you just do slow landscape work with it anyway? Granted AF can still be nice for taking serious of snaps.

For 14mm, I basically just leave my Samyang at infinity and everything is in focus .
But 17-18mm aren't nearly that forgiving I'm sure.




Jun 16, 2013 at 12:40 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


skibum5 wrote:
I still say the 17mm T&S coves it.


The TS-E 17/4L is a benchmark in lens performance, between 14mm and 24mm. OTOH, the Zeiss 18/3.5 ZE is a lot smaller, uses 'normal' filters (as opposed to the TS-E 17 "bug eye"), and the 18 ZE is another of the few other benchmark lenses in this range.

N.B. the 21 ZE is another most-excellent lens in this range, but it's too close in focal length to 24mm for me. I found I'd almost always use my TS-E 24/3.5L II or 24-xxL zoom, instead of the 21 ZE, so I sold the 21 ZE. Now, I use the TS-E 17/4L when I need movements, and I use the 18 ZE when I don't.



Jun 16, 2013 at 12:56 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I used to worry about the corner sharpness of 16-35 wide open, and lusted after the nikon 14-24 and bought one. after owning them for 3 years, I have never been in a situation where corner performance mattered to me at 2.8, or f4. Other than shooting brick walls, there is one utility I can see to a fast wide prime with corner to corner sharpness, and thats shooting starscapes.



Jun 16, 2013 at 02:01 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I use my TS-E 17/4L and Zeiss 18/3.5 ZE for landscapes, seascapes, and other 'scapes. If a brick wall happens to be in the scene, it will be in focus.

OTOH, I also have an EF 16-35/2.8L II, and use it for a lot of situations - usually wide open.



Jun 16, 2013 at 02:06 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


I agree we are overdue for an update on the 16-35 or perhaps a 14-40 f2.8L or equivalent, something that goes wider than 16mm on a FF and up to at least 24mm, preferably more. I recently bought the Canon 14mm f2.8L as the best available without going to the even higher expense of the Zeiss 15mm that is even bulkier. I sold a Canon 17-40mm and am already missing it but couldn't justify carrying both a 14mm and 24-70.

Marcel.



Jun 16, 2013 at 02:28 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


There is always the Nikon 14-24

I had the 17 for a while and it was awesome

The Tokina 16-28 really gets it covered for me now and I don't need anything else. I wish that canon would introduce a 14-24 2.8 that matches the quality of the 24-70II and 70-200 II. That unique look is so addictive.



Jun 16, 2013 at 04:25 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


saneproduction wrote:
I wish that canon would introduce a 14-24 2.8 that matches the quality of the 24-70II and 70-200 II. That unique look is so addictive.


+1



Jun 16, 2013 at 05:28 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Should Canon fill the gap between the 14L & 24L?


i would like a 18mm f2.8 to replace my 17-40.


Jun 16, 2013 at 07:39 AM
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