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400DO vs. 200-400L
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p.2 #1 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Nothing wrong with another I love my DO thread. I got mine used for a song and love it. The 1.4x converter comes separately and I have a hard time with the zoom ring - it is stuck at 400mm. Otherwise I love it!



Jun 15, 2013 at 02:46 PM
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p.2 #2 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


PetKal wrote:
See if you can tell which lens shot which image (#1 and #2 below).
The lenses are 400 DO and 200-400L.
They were both used on 1DX.


Can't tell which lens but I can see that these are from your movie shooting. I notice that you use blue screens instead of the better known green screen. The first one you have not yet put in the desired background yet. The second one you used a background that shows movement and the third one put in a background as if it was along a forested area noted with the green effect on the water.

What I can't tell is are you using After Effects, FInal Cut Pro or some other product. Since you are blue screening I wonder how big you studio is and if you have trained pigeons or if they are attached by a string which you remove in post processing.

Hopefully we will see some behind the scenes stills of the master working his magic on his upcoming BIF - The Revenge of the Piguns blockbuster movie.

I also understand that you also filmed a lot of live in the wilderness movie footage and also used stop motion at 14 FPS to make it look like it was one continuos shot.

Can I get a ticket to the Premier when it hits the theaters.





Jun 15, 2013 at 02:48 PM
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Would there be a major difference in IQ if you added the 400 f5.6L to the pool?
I'd guess AF speed would be somewhat slower/accurate given f4 vs f5.6...
For me it's either the 400 f5.6 or the 100-400L if a 400 gets into my bag



Jun 15, 2013 at 03:12 PM
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p.2 #4 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


For those that like to see some enlargement crops, here's two 70% ones. Please keep in mind that those are not a birds in hover, but in head-on cruising flight (#1) and head-on fishing trawl flight (#2), where it is harder attaining sufficient sharpness than when photographing a pet cat at rest.

Edited on Jun 23, 2013 at 01:13 AM · View previous versions



Jun 15, 2013 at 03:15 PM
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StillFingerz wrote:
Would there be a major difference in IQ if you added the 400 f5.6L to the pool?
I'd guess AF speed would be somewhat slower/accurate given f4 vs f5.6...
For me it's either the 400 f5.6 or the 100-400L if a 400 gets into my bag


Yes Jerry,

It would indeed have been tittilating had the answer been:

None of the above, it was the 400 f/5.6L, the Runt of the Litter.

Db




Jun 15, 2013 at 03:34 PM
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PetKal wrote:
The two folks (10% of all respondents) who chose the option #4 got it right: both images were shot with 400 DO.

Not only that 200-400L has markedly better IQ than 400 DO, it can also reduce the need for cropping when extended to 560mm "on the fly"......both of those factors result in more detail and more "fullness" of images such as those. However, 400 DO can produce serviceable results.

We should not neglect to reiterate the following two factors playing in favour of 400 DO:
(1) Its price is about 1/2 of the 200-400L price.
(2) It is significantly lighter and
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Never thought I'd see price as an argument in favor of the 400 DO.



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:14 PM
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Doctorbird wrote:
Yes Jerry,

It would indeed have been tittilating had the answer been:

None of the above, it was the 400 f/5.6L, the Runt of the Litter.

Db



If we threw 400 f/5.6 and 100-400 into the mix, the resulting lens/price diversity would have probably caused some hurt feelings, or even contumelious rebuttals.



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:27 PM
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PetKal wrote:
If we threw 400 f/5.6 and 100-400 into the mix, the resulting lens/price diversity would have probably caused some hurt feelings, or even contumelious rebuttals.


But with the benefit of less credit card debts and more importantly, happier wives and hence marriages.

Db




Jun 15, 2013 at 04:43 PM
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p.2 #9 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Rusty1 wrote:
Never thought I'd see price as an argument in favor of the 400 DO.


Back in 2006 when I was agonizing over 300 f/2.8 or 400 DO, the prices were $3700 and $5200 respectively. Given the 500 f/4 was about $5500, I just could not bring myself to pay such a premium. Now $5200 would be a steal, given the absurd pricing Canon has inflicted on it's new lenses. One can only imagine a new 400 f/4 DO II would redress the balance and sell for $9K+.



Jun 16, 2013 at 08:36 AM
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p.2 #10 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Yes the 400 DO lens is a lot more interesting today than it was a few years ago.


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p.2 #11 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


PetKal wrote:
400DO can do fish too.


but not the blue water I cannot differentiate! no pints for me here



Jun 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM
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Wow. thanks guys. I think the main problem was not having the 420EX in Group B. I see know I have lots to learn regarding ratios, and using Manual, Multi, etc.




Jun 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Back in 2006 when I was agonizing over 300 f/2.8 or 400 DO, the prices were $3700 and $5200 respectively. Given the 500 f/4 was about $5500, I just could not bring myself to pay such a premium. Now $5200 would be a steal, given the absurd pricing Canon has inflicted on it's new lenses. One can only imagine a new 400 f/4 DO II would redress the balance and sell for $9K+.


I think the used market has "adjusted" the value of the 400 DO down to where it makes sense- $3,500-$4,000 is comparable to a 300 2.8 v1, both in good shape and a few years old, obviously. That price difference noted above has been erased for the 400 DO. Granted, some who bought the 400 DO new might not be happy about this trend, but I think it shows there is plenty of value in the 400 DO, just not $5,200 in value IMO. I know I didn't consider the 400 DO until I could pick up a lightly used on for well under $4,000.



Jun 16, 2013 at 01:12 PM
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p.2 #14 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


gsmani wrote:
but not the blue water I cannot differentiate! no pints for me here


Sure thing, 400 DO can do fish and blue water too.

Edited on Jun 23, 2013 at 01:12 AM · View previous versions



Jun 16, 2013 at 01:46 PM
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gocolts wrote:
I think the used market has "adjusted" the value of the 400 DO down to where it makes sense- $3,500-$4,000 is comparable to a 300 2.8 v1, both in good shape and a few years old, obviously. That price difference noted above has been erased for the 400 DO. Granted, some who bought the 400 DO new might not be happy about this trend, but I think it shows there is plenty of value in the 400 DO, just not $5,200 in value IMO. I know I didn't consider the 400 DO until I could pick up a lightly used
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I don't belive the used market have "adjusted" the value down. It's more like the opposite. People are willing to pay more for the 400 DO today than before. Not surprisingly with most of the new super tele lenses that today cost about $ 10k or more. The new price of the 400 DO ($ 5-6k) is not bad when you see the price of the other lenses.



Jun 16, 2013 at 01:47 PM
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p.2 #16 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


PetKal wrote:
See if you can tell which lens shot which image (#1 and #2 below).
The lenses are 400 DO and 200-400L.



jaredmizanin wrote:
Wow. thanks guys. I think the main problem was not having the 420EX in Group B. I see know I have lots to learn regarding ratios, and using Manual, Multi, etc.



I think both shots were done with the 400 DO and 600EX-RT in Group A.



Jun 16, 2013 at 03:10 PM
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p.2 #17 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Photon wrote:
I think both shots were done with the 400 DO and 600EX-RT in Group A.



Right. And this one was done with 1DX + 400 DO and 600 EX-RT in Group B.

Edited on Jun 23, 2013 at 01:12 AM · View previous versions



Jun 16, 2013 at 03:15 PM
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p.2 #18 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Lars Johnsson wrote:
I don't belive the used market have "adjusted" the value down. It's more like the opposite. People are willing to pay more for the 400 DO today than before. Not surprisingly with most of the new super tele lenses that today cost about $ 10k or more. The new price of the 400 DO ($ 5-6k) is not bad when you see the price of the other lenses.


That might be true for new lens purchases, in a few years I'd be interested to see the # of new 400 DO's purchased now that it's one of the "cheaper" options. I guess shopping only in the pre owned market like I do is a different perspective.



Jun 16, 2013 at 03:35 PM
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p.2 #19 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


stanj wrote:
Either way, I love my DO and will not replace it with the 200-400.


I don't see them as replacements for each other. They are complementary.



Jun 16, 2013 at 04:18 PM
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p.2 #20 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


stanj wrote:
I can't tell them apart, certainly not at this size. Either way, I love my DO and will not replace it with the 200-400. After all, the reason why I got the DO was size and weight, which the zoom still can't compete with

Ditto - size and weight really makes the difference - besides, it's kind of tough to lay out that much cash for the 200-400 - now, on the other hand, if it were in the $5k to $6k range, I would be very tempted (wishful thinking)



Jun 19, 2013 at 03:17 PM
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