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p.1 #1 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


See if you can tell which lens shot which image (#1 and #2 below).
The lenses are 400 DO and 200-400L.
They were both used on 1DX.

Edited on Jun 23, 2013 at 01:13 AM · View previous versions



Jun 15, 2013 at 03:45 AM
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p.1 #2 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


#2 is the zoom. The bird has a fish, thus making the image decidedly better


Jun 15, 2013 at 03:54 AM
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p.1 #3 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


stanj wrote:
#2 is the zoom. The bird has a fish, thus making the image decidedly better


400DO can do fish too.


Edited on Jun 23, 2013 at 01:13 AM · View previous versions



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:04 AM
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p.1 #4 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


I know Stan knows the DO very well, yet, I am going to say 2 is the DO.



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:13 AM
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p.1 #5 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


PetKal wrote:
400DO can do fish too.


As my wife would say: Aiyah!



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:17 AM
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p.1 #6 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Tom Dix wrote:
I know Stan knows the DO very well, yet, I am going to say 2 is the DO.


I can't tell them apart, certainly not at this size. Either way, I love my DO and will not replace it with the 200-400. After all, the reason why I got the DO was size and weight, which the zoom still can't compete with



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:18 AM
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p.1 #7 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Agree about the DO Stan. Hope to make it my next lens.
Had the fortune to use it a couple of times. It is excellent.



Jun 15, 2013 at 04:20 AM
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p.1 #8 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


I voted #1.

However, the mere fact that we're voting between these fine images suggests that the trade off between these lenses should be weighted only slightly with regard to IQ. Of course, full res crops would be more helpful.

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Jun 15, 2013 at 05:08 AM
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p.1 #9 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


I have no idea, but two of the shots presented seem to have slightly muted contrast, so I'll peg those as being from the DO, well one of them is from the DO so it's a no brainer.


Jun 15, 2013 at 07:59 AM
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p.1 #10 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


Doctorbird wrote:
I voted #1.


Has Peter inadvertently revealed that #2 is the zoom?

stanj wrote:
#2 is the zoom. The bird has a fish, thus making the image decidedly better



PetKal wrote:
400DO can do fish too.



Jun 15, 2013 at 08:32 AM
 

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p.1 #11 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


The two folks (10% of all respondents) who chose the option #4 got it right: both images were shot with 400 DO.

Not only that 200-400L has markedly better IQ than 400 DO, it can also reduce the need for cropping when extended to 560mm "on the fly"......both of those factors result in more detail and more "fullness" of images such as those. However, 400 DO can produce serviceable results.

We should not neglect to reiterate the following two factors playing in favour of 400 DO:
(1) Its price is about 1/2 of the 200-400L price.
(2) It is significantly lighter and smaller resulting in a painless hand-held shooting experience, and a higher degree of capture responsiveness whenever very quick/sudden changes of target movement direction take place.

Therefore, no other lens can take the 400 DO's place in my gear bag.



Jun 15, 2013 at 09:07 AM
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PetKal wrote:
The two folks (10% of all respondents) who chose the option #4 got it right: both images were shot with 400 DO.

Not only that 200-400L has markedly better IQ than 400 DO, it can also reduce the need for cropping when extended to 560mm "on the fly"......both of those factors result in more detail and more "fullness" of images such as those. However, 400 DO can produce serviceable results.


Interesting, Peter.

I couldnít see any difference and was about to write that I once very briefly tried a 400 DO on my then 7D, and I have to say that combo didnít really excite much me in terms of contrast and especially micro-contrast, if you donít mind me saying it.

But the 400 DO is indeed lightish, and I assume that it will do better on a EOS-1D X. My 7D would only really shine in the right light, and I sense the 400 DO is alike in this regards. I once bought a 70-300 DO and decided to return it, so Iím biased.



Jun 15, 2013 at 09:24 AM
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p.1 #13 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


While I was reading this thread, I said to myself that both were shot with the 400 DO because of the weight of the zoom (not I think PetKal is to weak to handle it), the cost of the zoom (not I think PetKal is too poor to afford it) and the way he presented this vote (I think PetKal likes joking !).
And moreover I remember a plea for the 400 DO I read in this forum sometime ago, and I may be wrong but I would say PetKal was the author.




Jun 15, 2013 at 09:47 AM
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p.1 #14 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


PetKal wrote:
The two folks (10% of all respondents) who chose the option #4 got it right: both images were shot with 400 DO.

Not only that 200-400L has markedly better IQ than 400 DO, it can also reduce the need for cropping when extended to 560mm "on the fly"......both of those factors result in more detail and more "fullness" of images such as those. However, 400 DO can produce serviceable results.

We should not neglect to reiterate the following two factors playing in favour of 400 DO:
(1) Its price is about 1/2 of the 200-400L price.
(2) It is significantly lighter and
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+1!!



Jun 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM
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PetKal wrote:
Therefore, no other lens can take the 400 DO's place in my gear bag.


I would agree completely on the comparison to the 200-400, but I'm waffling on the 300 f/2.8 IS II and 1.4x vs 400 DO. The 300 is a pound heavier, but still hand-holdable, has better IS, and the option to be a 300 f2/.8 or 400 f/4, and the price difference isn't so great.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 400 DO in my hands this weekend and it definitely is a bit easier to handhold than the 300. I really am undecided on that comparison.



Jun 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM
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The reasons PetKal notes above for choosing the 400 DO vs. the 200-400 are similar to the reasons I sold my Sigma 120-300 2.8 OS to buy a 400 DO off the B & S boards a few months ago. Sure, the ability to zoom in/out, especially with a 2xTC attached, was great. However, the weight difference was obviously significant (especially as I typically hand-hold and pan at racetracks), and the size/length started to matter as adding a 2xTC to the Sigma creates quite a long lens compared to a 400 DO with a much smaller 1.4TC.

As far as people saying "who cares about the weight go to the gym!" I'll say that I'm 6 foot 3, 200 lbs., and run 4-5 miles most days of the week. So while swinging around the Sigma was physically doable, it didn't mean it wasn't a pain in the butt to do so at times, especially in the summer heat, nevermind the weight of my backpack with it, along with a shorter zoom of some sort in the bag.

Sure, I miss the zoom at times, but for what I use it for, the 400 DO works better for me. I see the 200-400 as the perfect lens for Safari shooters, where changing lenses in dusty environments isn't preferred, and the action could be a number of different focal lengths away with no warning or time to plan. Or, for those who use a monopod most of the time for what they shoot. I think for those people, this lens will be money well spent, and they'll use the 200-400 for 20 years and consider it an easy investment to make.

As far as using the Sigma 120-300 in place of the 200-400...to me that's still up in the air due to the failure rates of the first 120-300 OS. Because- assuming this zoom range replaces a shorter zoom and super-telephoto in your kit, and you traveled somewhere with the intention of using the lens, what happens if it fails? To me part of the money spent on the 200-400 is the assurance that the lens will continue to deliver no matter what, and you won't waste money on a trip where you ended up unable to shoot. Hopefully the new 120-300 OS "Sport" model changes that trend of the last one.



Jun 15, 2013 at 01:03 PM
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p.1 #17 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


RCicala wrote:
I would agree completely on the comparison to the 200-400, but I'm waffling on the 300 f/2.8 IS II and 1.4x vs 400 DO. The 300 is a pound heavier, but still hand-holdable, has better IS, and the option to be a 300 f2/.8 or 400 f/4, and the price difference isn't so great.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 400 DO in my hands this weekend and it definitely is a bit easier to handhold than the 300. I really am undecided on that comparison.


I agree- although the price I paid for a used 400 DO is almost half the cost of a new 300 f/2.8 IS II. Once the new 300 is out awhile and one can be found for a more reasonable price, I might be right there with you on the decision process.



Jun 15, 2013 at 01:05 PM
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p.1 #18 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


RCicala wrote:
I would agree completely on the comparison to the 200-400, but I'm waffling on the 300 f/2.8 IS II and 1.4x vs 400 DO. The 300 is a pound heavier, but still hand-holdable, has better IS, and the option to be a 300 f2/.8 or 400 f/4, and the price difference isn't so great.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 400 DO in my hands this weekend and it definitely is a bit easier to handhold than the 300. I really am undecided on that comparison.


True, 300 f.2.8 IS, particularly the lighter MkII, approaches 400 DO wrt ease of handling.
Also, needless to say, the 300 performance is one of the best Canon offers, and how otherwise can we get 600mm f/5.6 combo which weighs less than 3 kg ?
However, to me 400 DO is decisively easier to shoot handheld for 2 hours, fairly intensely with a few brief rest periods.



Jun 15, 2013 at 02:00 PM
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p.1 #19 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


gocolts wrote:
As far as people saying "who cares about the weight go to the gym!" I'll say that I'm 6 foot 3, 200 lbs., and run 4-5 miles most days of the week. So while swinging around the Sigma was physically doable, it didn't mean it wasn't a pain in the butt to do so at times, especially in the summer heat, nevermind the weight of my backpack with it, along with a shorter zoom of some sort in the bag.


Right on. We ought to be frank and realistic about those things.



Jun 15, 2013 at 02:01 PM
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p.1 #20 · 400DO vs. 200-400L


PetKal wrote: "See if you can tell which lens shotÖ"

Next time ask your model to stay still and post 100% crops : -)
You seems to rate the DO lower than 400/5.6 and perhaps the 100-400 zoom.
If the contrast/IQ of your DO is so poor, then I suggest checking its optical centering.
Also using the RAW instead of JPEG alleviates many issues.

BTW, for a mere $50.00, payable to PayPal (whoever he is), I can do the centring test for ya : -)))

There are those who look for the picture content while others who look for sharpness.
The latter group will opt for 300+TC and the former will choose a bare lens.

If I aspired to become the best barber in town, I'd definitely look for the sharpest tools : -)



Jun 15, 2013 at 02:06 PM
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