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wvphillygirl24 wrote:
I started out a few years ago on 2 40D bodies. When one of them went, I replaced it with a 7D. I shoot mainly sports, in addition to some senior portraits and team/individual work. I have a 70-200 2.8 L non-IS lens that is my fave. I want to get something that is better in low-light for the sports I photo (football, basketball, night baseball and softball games). I also would like to get a longer range lens like the 300 2.8. I shoot mostly poorly lit gyms and fields.
I have no problem buying used or refurb, which will definitely help me get more bang for my $$. I am debating between a 1d Mark 4 and a used 300 or do I just jump to the 1DX and wait on the 300? My copy of the 7D is on the noisier side and I hate noise. I also use my action shots for collage posters that the school buys from me for the seniors as gifts. While the local county newspaper does not have a problem with my images, I see the problems. Then again, the gear this paper has to work with, my images are better in low light than what they have. I also do stringer work for the local city newspaper for youth sports and really want to bump up my images to the next level. I really would like to get something between now and the end of summer in time for football. I like the crop because I like getting the extra reach from my lenses. I think I would jump on the 7d2 if it were to come out in that time frame, but I heard it may be next year before it comes out.
A photog friend of mine suggested the 5dM3 but isn't the 1dM4 better in low light and have more fps than the 5d3?
So, to recap... 1dm4 and the 300 2.8, or 1DX and no 300, or 5d3 and 300?
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The 1D4 has only very modestly more reach than the 5D3.
(16MP/22.3MP)* (1.3/1)^2 = 1.2x more pixels per player from the 1D4 which is like using a sqrt(1.21)=1.1x TC on the 5D3 compared to no TC on the 1D4
Not sure where you got the 1D4 is better at low light thing. It has slightly older tech and a smaller sensor. The 5D3 does use slightly newer tech so it should be a trace more efficient per sensor area so it should just slightly do better even when distance limited and when a player manages to fill frame and you don't need to crop then it does better than 1D4 for noise by a bit.
1DX has the best high ISO of the three but a touch less reach as the 1D4 puts 1.5x more pixels per player or like you need to use a 1.23x TC on the 1DX to match the 1D4 reach.
Under really foul lighting reach differences can become a bit less due to various issues.
Yeah the 1DX and 1D4 do have a lot more fps than the 5D3.
If you need more reach than your 70-200 2.8 provides, and for football, baseball, softball you almost surely do, especially if the lighting is not too horrific, the 300 2.8 is what gives you reach since it is like using a 1.5x TC on the 70-200 while the 1D4 vs 5D2 is like only a 1.1x TC difference and 1D4 vs 1DX is a 1.23x TC difference. For basketball I'd have thought your 70-200 2.8 would've had you already covered though.
The 7D has a lot more reach than all of them. Per sensor area is actually fairly efficient. When utterly reach limited it actually does BETTER than say a 5D2 (5D3 is a touch better still though)) for SNR. If you are doing huge crops and need to use the full pixel detail of the 7D simply using the same old 70-200 on the new body might not do much in terms of noise improvements. If you use a 300 2.8 and that lets you use enough the larger sensors to make a difference it should help though (of coruse you could also use 300 2.8 on the 7D). For some of those field sports shots you should be able to take advantage of the larger sensors and for some shots though not so much at all. For basketball you should pretty much universally be able to take advantage of the larger sensors and the 1DX would do a little bit better than the 5D3 would do better than the 1D4 would do better than the 7D for nearly every shot.
Hard to say about the 7D2. It sounds like might not arrive until around when football seasons ends or even get pushed early the following year, hard to say. In the early 20D-40D days they usually got the lower tier bodies out in time for fall sports, but then they kept getting later and later with everything, my 5D2 didn't arrive until the season was virtually over sadly or in time for fall foliage either. I've been a fan of spring releases like the 5D3, since then you get it in time for summer trips and fall sports and foliage and so on (im sure that works way better for wedding shooters too) than the later in the year releases, especially the nasty end of November releases when they get it out just in time that I don't even care so much by that point). But who knows when the 7D2 will arrive for sure.
Maybe get the 300 now and the cheapest used 1D4/5D3 you can find and then sell it and get 7D2 when that finally arrives (although for basketball the larger 5D3/1DX would most likely do better SNR than even a 7D2 almost for sure).
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