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p.6 #1 · p.6 #1 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


I agree the results will be almost identical. I just think that if you are going to be setting up a whole lot of other gear, the advantage of mirrorless in terms of size and weight is negated, so you may as well go for all put quality, even if the returns are minimal.

In terms of nature I'm thinking of focus mainly.



May 27, 2013 at 01:05 PM
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p.6 #2 · p.6 #2 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


Gochugogi wrote:
I think you miss the point for why I and others use ILC. It's not about need or assigning value to off the hip street or casino shots. I actually enjoy taking pictures and using a wide variety of gear. It's as much about the process or journey as it is about the end result, i.e., a satisfying image. Probably few of you have visited my website or seen my galleries. But no images of people actually easting or drinking. When I go out to dinner, drinks, casino, shopping, etc., I'm always looking for sense of place images with closeups
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Great shots. I agree



May 27, 2013 at 01:51 PM
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p.6 #3 · p.6 #3 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


snapsy wrote:
Of all the recent trends in the market I think the camera phone and its affect on P&S has had and continues to have the biggest impact. Aside from the obvious effect on P&S volumes and profitability I think the bigger long-term impact is how it affects Canon's R&D and fixed costs amortized over their entire product line. This is particularly true because Canon continues to pursue a fabfull model rather than the fabless model of their competitors. Making the vertically-integrated fab fullmodel work requires high volume production utilization, which the camera phone market is threatening since Canon doesn't sell
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Along these lines:
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/destroyed-by-iphone-which-camera-will-survive-U~w4CFKOS_uQmxtf7FsqRw.html



May 28, 2013 at 08:12 AM
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p.6 #4 · p.6 #4 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


I do hate it when journalists fail to do their homework.


May 28, 2013 at 09:28 AM
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p.6 #5 · p.6 #5 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1215977


May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM
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Gochugogi wrote:
I think you miss the point for why I and others use ILC. It's not about need or assigning value to off the hip street or casino shots. I actually enjoy taking pictures and using a wide variety of gear. It's as much about the process or journey as it is about the end result, i.e., a satisfying image. Probably few of you have visited my website or seen my galleries. But no images of people actually easting or drinking. When I go out to dinner, drinks, casino, shopping, etc., I'm always looking for sense of place images with closeups
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Wondering if you actually meant to quote me in this reply or perhaps you thought my comment in reply to another's post was directed at you.

Your photos are not what a previous poster was referring to when characterizing what small mirrorless cameras might or might not be useful for - he delegated them to informal "snaps" over dinner and drinks, to paraphrase.

My post was disagreeing with the notion that this is where such cameras are most useful. For "snaps" (a term that typically refers to very casual and non-serious photography, in which one might grab a record shot) of such things, I pointed out that it is hardly necessary to spend $1000+ (sometimes a lot of plus!) for a small, rangefinder-style, interchangeable lens camera when quite fine casual "snaps" can be and often are made with smaller and less expensive cameras.

In my view - expressed a few times in this thread - some of the newer mirrorless systems - I'm using the APS-C sensor Fujifilm X-E1 - can produce excellent results and can be ideal for certain types of serious shooting - sometimes better, on balance, than using a DSLR for those things. I have yet to print any of my Fujifilm work, though I have several photographs from the camera that I'm certain will print beautifully at 18" x 24".

I, too, carry the smaller camera almost all the time - something I would not do with my full frame DSLR system. In circumstances in which I want to be less obtrusive, it allows me to work without attracting the attention I can draw when using the larger camera and associated gear. It lets me carry a small package of high quality gear in an airline carry-on bag that also holds a small laptop and other stuff. The photographic results are as good as those from any similarly spec'ed cropped sensor camera using excellent lenses.

And, as I wrote elsewhere, I don't think that the final chapter on this approach to camera design has yet been written, and more capable (and perhaps full frame?) cameras based on this design approach may change some of our thinking about when and where they might be the best choice... and where the DSLR systems or other alternatives may continue to be the better options.

Dan



May 28, 2013 at 05:42 PM
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Sorry Dan I assumed you were writing about me since my namesake glistened like diamonds was in the quote.

I shoot purely for recreation and as an escape from the boredom of daily routines. So I take snapshots of whatever interesting inanimate objects are near and avoid grinning people. Yes, they are snapshots--moments frozen in time--and these snaps almost always happen when I'm doing something else non-photographic, e.g., shopping, dinner, directing an ensemble, hiking or walking to the post office. I try not to take what I do too seriously lest it become work. Nevertheless, as a hardened perfectionist, that moment in time needs to conform to my vision or I snap it again and again and again... So that 5 minute walk to the post office might end up taking an hour and pile up a few hundred nearly exactly the same snapshots of a weathered sign or woodgrain of an ancient church door. At that point I wish I had my 5D2 and tripod but then the light is never the same again. Luckily these wee ILC are good enough for a nice 11x14 or 16 x 20 if you do a good job. You have to be more mindful of camera shake since these lightweight cameras bob around in the wind like quivering leaves...



May 28, 2013 at 07:13 PM
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p.6 #8 · p.6 #8 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


When I upgraded to the 5D II from the 20D, I promised myself I'd never go back to cropped sensor. FF foreva!! Today, I have the Nex 6 and am contemplating selling the 5D II!

I have equivalent lenses for what I used (on Canon FF) on Nex, and for my use, IQ wise I'm giving up some resolution, and DOF control. That's it. What I have gained however in size and weight advantage is liberating!

Few samples from the Nex:

http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-9j3t4GX/0/XL/i-9j3t4GX-XL.jpg
http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-rsNGdBx/0/XL/i-rsNGdBx-XL.jpg
http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-dXdmxMK/0/L/i-dXdmxMK-L.jpg
http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-TLgf5Mg/0/XL/i-TLgf5Mg-XL.jpg
http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-H2478L3/0/XL/i-H2478L3-XL.jpg
http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-5wsVrDB/0/XL/i-5wsVrDB-XL.jpg
http://www.lotuscreativeworks.com/photos/i-prDfsjJ/0/XL/i-prDfsjJ-XL.jpg

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May 29, 2013 at 12:27 AM
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p.6 #9 · p.6 #9 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


Just got the Pansonic 12-35 f/2.8 for my OM-D and I'd say IQ is as good as my 24-105L. OM-D has a bag of detail with good glass especially below ISO 1600


May 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM
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p.6 #10 · p.6 #10 · How much do the mirrorless systems threaten Canon and Nikon DSLRs?


Seriously if you guys want to compare, I don't think you can really compare the different systems out there.

I like both of them, and I use both. It all depends on how much I'm willing to put up with or what my intention is. The photos do have different character, and I'd never try to use the micro four thirds for action or the full frame DSLR for extreme portability.

I don't think that there is any question that there is a viable market for mirrorless, in the rest-of-world mirrorless cameras have been outselling DSLRs for some time. But I think whether they catch on here depends solely on starting photographers adopting them as their preferred system, which just isn't happening.

For the record this album:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/accessaccess/sets/72157629935135385/
was shot last year entirely with the panasonic GH2 and three lenses, 14mm f/2.5, 20mm f/1.7, and 45mm f/1.8.

This one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/accessaccess/sets/72157633754645745/
is from this year shot entirely with the canon 5d3 and three lenses, 40mm f/2.8, 85mm f/1.8, and 135mm f/2.

The full frame gives me the freedom to capture any scene I can envision, but you trade some freedom of movement and some convenience for that. My world has a lot of action and depth of field, I can do some portraiture but I can't really show everything I want to without the full frame.





(I would be hard pressed to get either one of these shots with the mirrorless -- the action or the DOF and blurring of the crowd)

Both cameras do provide more than enough resolution, control, and rapid focus on static subects. The mirrorless doesn't have the best battery life, but one can take extra batteries so it's not such a big deal. It's more subtle, but actually quite loud compared to the 5d3 which has a 'silent' shutter mode. I now have an OM-D which actually has a little more dynamic range than the 5d3, but it's generally overkill for what I do anyways.

So to summarize it's not that I can't find stuff to shoot with a modern mirrorless system, just that I don't have that freedom to shoot anything (and have it turn out right).



May 29, 2013 at 02:20 AM
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