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Ted ellis
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Ruby throat hummingbirds of course. Last year I saw some of Tim K images (posted on N&W) of hummers shot at 3200 ISO. In the past I avoided shooting hover hummers higher than 1600 ISO or f-stops below f6.3. My previous attempts the last two years were utter failures because of my lack of confidence straying away from what felt comfortable and/or I just did not have the right combinations.

I am posting five images taken over the last several days. I want to also mention I don't shy away from the darker images when they present themselves. The dynamics of light and dark in combination can coexist in the same image. Rembrandt did it best.

I would appreciate any and all CC.

What causes the blotting/bloching in the bgs of these shots? They are not on the images prior to posting on FM or when printed at 11x14in

Ted




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May 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Looks very good to me, Ted.
I'd say if they look good at the print size you want them to be you are done.
Chris



May 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM
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Very nicely done Ted. I wonder about the circular and splotchy patterns that are most pronounced in the first two and some of the last few. My concern about shooting at high iso is much less about what they look like shared on a computer but blown up to any significant size. But certainly, the advancement in high iso and noise reduction software that is non destructive makes those concerns much less founded.
Eric



May 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM
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eyelaser wrote:
Very nicely done Ted. I wonder about the circular and splotchy patterns that are most pronounced in the first two and some of the last few. My concern about shooting at high iso is much less about what they look like shared on a computer but blown up to any significant size. But certainly, the advancement in high iso and noise reduction software that is non destructive makes those concerns much less founded.
Eric



Interestingly enough Eric, the blotches, circular patters are not present when printed at 11x14.

Ted



May 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM
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Ted ellis wrote:
Interestingly enough Eric, the blotches, circular patters are not present when printed at 11x14.

Ted

Huh? That's quite interesting indeed...funny that it would show up on the computer version but not printed. But knowing that may be the case, I might be much more likely to try to "up the ISO' on my shots as well....thanks for sharing that bit of information which is much more than a little helpful!
Eric



May 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Ted I believe what we see are just tone brakes, resulting in a series of colored bands rather than a smooth, continuous gradient. It is also known also as posterization, or banding. It only happens on smooth areas with no detail.
They are very annoying and distracting. One of the causes is stretching the histogram too much in PP.
Apart from that your images look fine

Socrate




May 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM
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Wonderful Ted ! Love these.

Birdie



May 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Ted, love the first one best! BeeBalm


May 19, 2013 at 01:22 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Very nice set Ted,

well done

Lil



May 19, 2013 at 04:08 PM
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Ted ellis wrote:
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I would appreciate any and all CC.

What causes the blotting/bloching in the bgs of these shots? They are not on the images prior to posting on FM or when printed at 11x14in

Ted


Ted

I don't think this is banding. You're seeing jpg artifacts.

I usually look at the pictures on FM using a retina display iPad. It's easy to pull and pinch the pictures so they instantly blown up. This has the advantage of quickly seeing the artifacts and other things like its easy to see pictures that are oversharpened and those where people leave the noise in the bird but take it out of the background. Such pictures are very evident.

All your pictures in this thread show the artifacts with #2 showing it the least, probably because its lighter. I started to check your long thread with 25 hummers and stopped after checking about half of them. They all display the artifacts.

You're not seeing them in prints because you're probably keeping the full resolution of the picture. Depending upon what your printing them on and the dpi, a 11 x 14 might be at full resolution for a full frame picture with no upscaling with 15 mp.

When you save the jpg for the web, just increase the size of the compression. In other words, make the file bigger. I believe that is the problem. You are compressing the .jpgs too much.



May 19, 2013 at 04:15 PM
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lovely set of hummingbirds Ted


May 19, 2013 at 07:16 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


I see your problem too Ted. The hummers all look very nice, but some of the BGs are "less than perfect".

You are taking a 20MB+ image and saving it at less than 200K. Try saving it at 300K or 400K and check the bg. You have nothing to loose... ~ Ron



May 19, 2013 at 08:16 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Another enjoyble set Ted.

Jude



May 19, 2013 at 09:19 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


The last is my pick

Morris



May 19, 2013 at 10:07 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Real beauties Ted, I'm in love with 3, that's a classic. Great work UT!!!

Tim



May 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Very nice work 'Rembrandt' Did he do digital too

It is #1 that is #1 for me sir, lovely!
Sometimes the resultant BG I have found will do that if you have 'missing information' showing in your histogram, areas in the histogram will have blank areas showing.

Karl



May 20, 2013 at 01:01 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


These look great to me Ted. I'm envious!
David



May 20, 2013 at 02:49 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Nice set Ted. I just spent a weekend with some hummers. I hope I got a few as good as this.


May 20, 2013 at 07:37 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Ted- The Peanut Gallery thinks these are swell pictures, and some are sweller than others.
The first shot is the swellest of them all. That's partly because The Peanut Gallery likes pictures to be sharply focused.
The rest of the reason is that it's just a real purty picture .
Charlie



May 20, 2013 at 09:39 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 1600, 2500, 3200 have what in common?


Beautiful photos at high ISO, Ted.

- Tam



May 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM





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