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p.1 #1 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


Hi guys! After a long hiatus from the site, and from photography as well (I was focusing all of my efforts on producing a documentary), I'm looking to put together a capable FX kit for walkaround photography, street candids, and strobist tinkering.

I previously owned the Nikon D700 and *loved it* (also owned the D7000, found its AF lacking in low light, but otherwise a very capable update to my former D90). I was pretty set on buying one used (there are screaming deals on them now compared to what I paid for mine back in 2010), but a fellow photographer suggested the D600 to me.

The lenses & speedlights that I'll pair with this camera are:
-35mm f/2.0 AFD (I always loved this lens)
-105mm f/2.8 AFS VR (I do love the way this lens draws a scene)
-24-70mm f/2.8 AFS
-70-200mm f/2.8 AFS VR-1 (Call me crazy, I always preferred the v1 over the v2)
-SB-910

I know that the D700 will 100% meet my needs, but the D600 has the following advantages (wants?) for me:
-takes SD cards (I've got tons of these floating around at home & work, so no $$$ spent on CF cards)
-D600 does video (I have 6 high end Panasonic HD cameras at work, but they're all big, bulky, broadcast/EFP cameras that are not likely to come with me on vacation)
-D600 has significantly higher resolution than the D700 (I rarely print, but when I do, my shots end up 8x10, 8x12, 16x20 or 20x30)

...but on the other hand, the D700 has these advantages:
-cheaper if bought used
-go with what you know (I know the camera and its menus inside and out)
-5 FPS with no grip, or 8ish FPS with, on the occasions I want to shoot sports
-1/8000 max shutter
-faster flash sync speed
-built tougher & can weather some rain (though I know not to knock this around much, whichever cam I get!)
-smaller files + quicker post on RAW files as a result
-superior AF? (as I understand it, the D600 shares its sensor with the D7000, which wasn't nearly as fast to lock on in low light as my prior D700 was)
-older EN-EL3e batteries are cheaper and plentiful on the used market

I don't plan on doing too many available-light-only shoots in low light, so usable high ISO in the 3200 range is the upper limit of what I'll realistically be using.

I'm 70/30 split on D700 over the D600. What do you guys think? Does shiny & new beat tried & true? Any D600 owners that previously owned a D700? Please advise! Thanks in advance, folks.



May 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #2 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


D600 is no doubt the better camera when it comes to image quality. The D700 just has better build quality. The dynamic range really needs to be emphasized in this case though.


May 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM
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p.1 #3 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


I guess it comes down to video. If you want video then there is no choice. If you don't care about video, then I would choose the D700 every day of the week over the D600. It's a photographer's camera. It doesn't get in the way of taking photos. Your opinion may vary.


May 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM
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p.1 #4 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


^Thanks BenV & shmn.

Shmn, that was my thinking as well - I always preferred my D2H to my D80, though the D80 produced higher resolution shots, and weighed about 1/3rd as much. There's something to be said for really good ergonomics, the speed of AF, and having everything top-level at my fingertips where I expect them to be...

BenV, thanks for the insight on the dynamic range - I hadn't considered the difference there. Doing a bit more research on that now, but I found the D700 to be sufficient there previously.

The more I think about it, the more I lean towards the D700 for the higher sync speed, faster shutter speed, and faster 51-point AF.



May 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM
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p.1 #5 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


It seems that your mind is already set... but as a previous owner of D700 and a happy user of D600 I vote for the later. The AF is not bad at all in D600 - not to miss any shot at least. Sync speed is reduced and that's bad but regarding 1/4000 shutter speed it's not a big deal... D600 has the base ISO at 100 so you have exactly the same exposure at 100 ISO and 1/4000 with ISO200 and 1/8000 - both at the same aperture. I know that D700 is built a bit better but ultimately we buy a camera for the image quality it is producing and between the two D600 is clearly the winner. Just look at DXOMark findings and see the difference between 2008 sensor and 2012 sensor. D600 also has a better display, a more polished menu, these U1 and U2 settings and its size/weight recommends it for street and travel. If you will later buy as a second body a D7000, D7100 or D800 you will share the battery and that's a big advantage at least for me. My advice for you is to test a D600 in a shop - or taking one on rental - before to take the final decision.


May 18, 2013 at 08:22 PM
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p.1 #6 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


jasoncallen wrote:
Hi guys! After a long hiatus from the site, and from photography as well (I was focusing all of my efforts on producing a documentary), I'm looking to put together a capable FX kit for walkaround photography, street candids, and strobist tinkering.

I previously owned the Nikon D700 and *loved it* (also owned the D7000, found its AF lacking in low light, but otherwise a very capable update to my former D90). I was pretty set on buying one used (there are screaming deals on them now compared to what I paid for mine back in 2010), but a fellow photographer
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D700 all the way. Once you use a pro body it's hard to use a mid-grade body, well in my case anyway.

Had a D300 and sold it to get the D7000. Had the D7000 for about 8 months and could not deal with the handling/set up, so sold it and picked up a nice used D300s. Guess I'm just spoiled with the pro-bodies.

I tried out the D600 and found it to be a joke. The D600 should have been a D700 with that 24mp sensor.

I'd say if you want shinny and new, then go for a D800, But if it's to much then stay with the tried & true D700.



May 19, 2013 at 08:28 AM
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p.1 #7 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


For my hands the D600 is too small and uncomfortable to hold. I went for the D800E. I use it most of the time now but I also have a D3s and D700. If it was either/or then I'd choose the D700 over the D600 based on ergonomics, but I'd go the other way based on image quality.

- Alan



May 19, 2013 at 08:48 AM
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p.1 #8 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


davidnholtjr wrote:
D700 all the way. Once you use a pro body it's hard to use a mid-grade body, well in my case anyway.




I agree 100%. I had a D700 for a long time. I sold it bought a D600. I loved how the D600 worked. THe larger sensor was great, but the body just didn't feel as nice as the D700. I sold the D600 and bought a D800. THe feel of the D700 and D800 are very close. As I said, the D600 just didn't feel right for me....

Monty




May 19, 2013 at 08:52 AM
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p.1 #9 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


If only the D700 had been a 16mp camera. It's holding it's value amazingly well because there's no substitute for it.

The D600 is a better camera as far as overall image quality & video however it's a consumer grade camera body. Essentially the same body as the D7000 and D7100. Different controls, different remote & cards than the D700... Remember that the comparison would have been a D700 versus a D800 as they were about the same price when released. $2,700 versus $2,999

The good thing about getting a D700 is you can then pair it with a D300 super cheap. The original Nikon combo of full frame and DX.

Unfortunately, even with all that I'd still be opting for the D600. Or really stretch it and get the D800



May 19, 2013 at 09:00 AM
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p.1 #10 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


I have both D700 and D600...

D600 is smaller and lighter, which I prefer when carrying. D700 is better to use, but I spend more time carrying a camera than actually shooting with one (I don't shoot events professionally). I brought the D600 when I was anticipating a backpacking trip to Iran... yes, smaller/lighter is better to ME.

D600 is much quieter, which is necessary for me at times (I am forced to use D5100 during student recitals before I have D600).

12 mp is enough, 24 mp is just better...sometimes I can have alternative composition (crop) out of the 24mp file...I really love the 24mp files from D600.

D600 DR is MUCH better, one of the most compelling reasons for me to get D600. D600 high-iso files are more pleasing (DR, color, shading etc, not talking about noise level)

Built quality... call me crazy, quality plastic is good enough for me(a plastic car I rented was once bumped by a metal car, the plastic car was without a scratch but the other car suffered a bit). If you really a abuse a camera... it can have "internal damage" ... parts get lossen and mis-alligned...

I have used both in the rain (not exactly light rain), snow and windy deserts.... in all these case, the lens is also important.

I can't recall myself NEED 1/8000 shutter speed.

Nothing wrong with USB remote release, but i prefer the old one on the D700.

Ergonomics, I don't have issue working with D700 and D600... it's not like switching between piano and flute , but then it's just me... I do use lower end nikon bodies at times as well as other brand (Olympus EPL-1, Panasonic GF, Sony NEX etc), I 'm fine with whatever body.

If you can live with the slower flash sync (if FP sync works for you), I 'd suggest D600. It might feel cheap but it delivers. Another thing to consider regarding flash sync... D700 base ISO is 200 while D600 base ISO is 100, and D600 has better DR so you can use the LO setting without much penalty.



May 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM
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p.1 #11 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


Viewfinders are something to consider too. D700 vs D600 is no comparison imo.


May 19, 2013 at 02:50 PM
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p.1 #12 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


I'm using a D800 and a D600. As far as IQ goes the D600 delivers so there can be no concerns on that score. I also don't find the D600 'plasticky' either. It is very well built, just lighter than the D800/D700. And I'm holding the D800 and D600 side by side as I say that.

The biggest issue for me is no AF-S button so you have to remap the AE-L & Fn buttons to suit. There are many advantages to the D600 over the D700 but none (other than U1 & U2 & weight) over the D800.

My best advice would be to beg, borrow or steal enough to buy the D800 as in the long run it'll work out cost wise anyway.



May 20, 2013 at 12:33 AM
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p.1 #13 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


One clarification about the AF module - the D700 has more AF and cross-type points (51/15 vs 39/9), but the D600 AF is tuned to work down to f/8. Also, as you indicated, the D700 AF points are spread out over more of the frame (although I'm not sure if that's a function of more points).

The D700 is more than a capable body, but there are some subtle and not-so-subtle differences as everyone else has pointed out here. Do you need/want video, better DR, dual card slots, u1/u2, etc? then it's the D600. Do you need/want to save money, use af-on and ae-l/af-l, a pro body, then stick with the D700.

there's also a longevity factor. If you're planning on stick with a body for more than 3-4 years, it behooves you to start with the newer generation.



May 20, 2013 at 01:25 PM
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p.1 #14 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


Do you need/want video, better DR, dual card slots, u1/u2, etc? then it's the D600. Do you need/want to save money, use af-on and ae-l/af-l, a pro body, then stick with the D700.

That's it in a nutshell it seems! I definitely want the higher flash sync speed, and the AF-on + AE-L combo is something I use often. Also, it doesn't hurt to save $$ to reinvest in glass. I'll likely end up with a D600 or D800 as well later on D700 it is - for now! Now to sell my Micro 4/3 gear...



May 20, 2013 at 01:52 PM
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p.1 #15 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


well, that's the other option - D800 - which will give you everything, minus the money saved (in both cash as well as file sizes). the D800 refurbs are dropping like a rock...$2350 @ cameta and adorama...


May 20, 2013 at 04:21 PM
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p.1 #16 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


d700 is a professional camera, d600 is a "cheap" camera for the amateur that wants to make the move to full frame without spending $4k. id take the d700 hands down


May 20, 2013 at 06:59 PM
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p.1 #17 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


These threads have a way of pulling the fanboy out of all of us. I can say though that there's not really a wrong choice here. I was an early adopter of the D700 so I've been shooting mine a couple months short of 5 years now which is a record for me. I got a D600 back in December and am very impressed with it's iso/DR/image quality performances. The dual card slots are nice, as is the 100% veiwfinder. I have small hands, so the D600 fits my hands better. I have yet to try any video but it doesn't bother me that it's there. I'm still getting used to the AF system of the D600. I'm about 90% and growing in my confidence in the D600 in this respect. When I'm shooting an event and need 100% confidence I'll get the shot in one snap, I still grab the D700.

Again, not a wrong choice... Flip a coin and enjoy your new camera.



May 20, 2013 at 07:56 PM
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p.1 #18 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


Kyyo24 wrote:
d700 is a professional camera, d600 is a "cheap" camera for the amateur that wants to make the move to full frame without spending $4k. id take the d700 hands down



I have both but can you clarify the part with the D600, why do you think it's for amateurs?



May 20, 2013 at 09:56 PM
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You might take a look at the new D7100. I tried it and D600 side by side, and the AF on the D7100 is very clearly better. It will even focus with lenses as slow as f6.3, maybe f8. I am a night photographer and am honestly amazed at just how low light this thing will focus in, using f2.8 zooms. It is a better camera overall than a d600. The D700 is now 6+ year old? No video, only 13mp. If you shoot at less than ISO 2000, the D7100 will do all you want and leave money left over. In the end, the camera is the least important thing most all of the time. I think your real choice is between a used D800 and a new D7100. I use a Rode Stereo Mic on my D7100, and it is great!

Flash sync on D7100 is 1/250s. The resolution (pixels/sq. in.) is actually a tad higher than a D800 if IIRC. You will never see the difference between the d7100 images and a D600 if you typically shoot under ISO 1600.


Kent in SD



May 20, 2013 at 10:15 PM
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p.1 #20 · Returning to photography - D700 or D600?


D7100 with extra $$$ left over for glass would be my choice as well. It's hard to go wrong with any of theses bodies but if you want video stick with one of the newer offerings.


May 21, 2013 at 04:37 AM
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