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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III (Magic Lantern)
Cinema5d.com just posted a step-by-step tutorial on how to get your Canon 5D Mark III shooting 24p RAW video.

"If youíre not a computer scientist itís not easy to get the Magic Lantern hack and 14bit RAW module working that was posted in the Magic Lantern forums yesterday. There are no guides around and itís still in its early Alpha stage.
After struggling for a day we managed to pull it off so hereís our complete dummies guide to squeeze the RAW bits out of a 5D mark III." - Full Guide

Canon 5D Mark III in stock at B&H Photo and Amazon



May 14, 2013 at 09:52 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


It works. Files become LARGE very QUICKLY.
Think like 4,167,451KB for 49 seconds .
Which takes AE (on my machine at least) about 37 minutes to transform to a lossless video file . Which then put file size for 49 seconds to 7,150,395KB .
It is nice being able to use ACR's powerful controls to color the video though, very powerful.
It can crash out. And sometimes it won't seem to start properly and sometimes it seems quit out early but it does appear to deliver something a lot better than we could get before .

I need to get some sort of lightly compressed codec that can handle 4:4:4 and 16bits for archiving. Adobe software comes wth ProRes if you have a MAC but Apple appears to not allow ProRes to be recorded on Windows machines, only played back . Have to find something else. AE and PP on Windows don't appear to ship with any appropriate codecs other than AVI full lossless.


Edited on May 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM · View previous versions



May 15, 2013 at 12:16 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


I only had time to grab one quick clip, just waved the camera around hand-held excitedly which doesn't make for the best goings on and just did a one shot first frame color editing and the rest fell where they may. A few frame grabs after I converted it to a very high bitrate MPEG2 4:2:2 output:

SAMP 1
SAMP 2
SAMP 3
SAMP 4

Many browsers require that you click on the above images to see them full scale (1920x1080).

Didn't try it yet but it looks like latest pre-alpha may have intervalometer, motion triggered capture and all sorts of other crazy stuff in it.



May 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


I had to grab a different code base than Cinema5D linked to though. When I tried the pre-compiled code they linked to I couldn't get it to load the raw module for some unknown reason and had to grab a more recent code base from the ML site.



May 15, 2013 at 12:34 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


SAMPLE


May 15, 2013 at 01:14 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


Another sample frame, direct sun on the bright leaves with deep shade in the forest behind, in ACR I did:
+.35 exp
+16 contrast
-88 highlights
+62 shadows
+100 black level

and in curves i did:
-46 highlights
+22 bright mids
+8 dark mids
-9 darks

zero luma NR
+16 chroma NR
a bit of ACR sharpening and a bit in PS
1920x1080 RAW video frame sample

below now here is sort of how it looks on the liveview using the settings all at default before messing around above:
BEFORE ACR SLIDERS



May 15, 2013 at 02:35 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


This is what the internal recording without ML did using same camera settings and scene more or less (not a careful comparison) and no post processing:
no ML no PP

and very quickly processed up version bring back some shadow stuff:
no ML, sharpened, shadows raised up
again compared to ML RAW processed it is night and day (yeah both were quick processing jobs and nothing was carefully, scientifically done at all, but it should still paint a clear picture):
ML one again

The difference is really insane.


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May 15, 2013 at 02:47 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


I think I accidentally grabbed the non-ML when the video wasn't quite full screen perhaps? anyway close enough


May 15, 2013 at 02:55 AM
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skibum5 wrote:
I only had time to grab one quick clip, just waved the camera around hand-held excitedly which doesn't make for the best goings on and just did a one shot first frame color editing and the rest fell where they may. A few frame grabs after I converted it to a very high bitrate MPEG2 4:2:2 output:

SAMP 1
SAMP 2
SAMP 3
SAMP 4

Many browsers require that you click on the above images to see them full scale (1920x1080).

Didn't try it yet but it looks like latest pre-alpha may have intervalometer, motion triggered capture and all sorts of other crazy stuff in it.



Unbelievable detail!

Any frame grab of something with feather detail yet?



May 15, 2013 at 02:59 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


Liquidstone wrote:
Unbelievable detail!

Any frame grab of something with feather detail yet?


No, I didn't even get to check if my version even has 1:1 in it or not.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


How do people on a Mac decode the raw video? I didn't try it yet, but normally I only use FCPX (because I pretty much never do video).


May 15, 2013 at 04:39 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


stanj wrote:
How do people on a Mac decode the raw video? I didn't try it yet, but normally I only use FCPX (because I pretty much never do video).


I think the link above tells you since they seem to be MAC guys (the Cinema5D link). It seems they had to use After Effects though for the second stage.



May 15, 2013 at 05:30 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


Liquidstone wrote:
Any frame grab of something with feather detail yet?


For you Romy:

BIRD FEATHER DETAIL CANON 5D3 RAW VIDEO FRAME


(ISO3200, tungsten lamp, 1/50th, f/5.0)

(1920x1080 FF mode, not 1:1 mode not sure yet how to get 1:1, in this case I didn't need it though since the bird allowed for close approach and the 24-70 had plenty of reach , 1:1 would probably have a bit worse DR and a good deal more noise?)



May 15, 2013 at 05:31 AM
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skibum5 wrote:
For you Romy:

BIRD FEATHER DETAIL CANON 5D3 RAW VIDEO FRAME


(ISO3200, tungsten lamp, 1/50th, f/5.0)

(1920x1080 FF mode, not 1:1 mode not sure yet how to get 1:1, in this case I didn't need it though since the bird allowed for close approach and the 24-70 had plenty of reach , 1:1 would probably have a bit worse DR and a good deal more noise?)


Looks great. I've never seen a 1920x1080 video grab from my 5D2 or 1D4 nearing such IQ.

Great stalking skills too, albeit feather detail of birds in our islands appear less plasticky.



May 15, 2013 at 06:03 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


Anyone have any clues what format would maintain best, ultimate quality, full color space, great detail and motion detail, 16bits and do some light maybe 3:1ish or so compression? (on a PC)



May 15, 2013 at 06:10 AM
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skibum5 wrote:
Anyone have any clues what format would maintain best, ultimate quality, full color space, great detail and motion detail, 16bits and do some light maybe 3:1ish or so compression? (on a PC)


I don't think there is a 16-bit video codec.

One option would be Avid's DNxHD 4:4:4 Download DNxHD 2.3.8

DNxHD Whitepaper

DNxHD 4:4:4 is 10-bit and 440 Mb/sec. When I did a codec test awhile back using Adobe Media Encoder to encode DNxHD 4:4:4 I was unable to tell the difference from source footage even at 400% enlargement. Best of all, DNxHD is free.

Cineform is also a very strong contender, but I don't think the free version can do 4:4:4... on the other hand the free Cineform codec is .avi, is also 10-bit and is 4:2:2, so it might make a better workflow in Windows.

Cineform Studio - Free



May 15, 2013 at 06:28 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


super35 wrote:
I don't think there is a 16-bit video codec.

One option would be Avid's DNxHD 4:4:4 Download DNxHD 2.3.8

DNxHD Whitepaper

DNxHD 4:4:4 is 10-bit and 440 Mb/sec. When I did a codec test awhile back using Adobe Media Encoder to encode DNxHD 4:4:4 I was unable to tell the difference from source footage even at 400% enlargement. Best of all, DNxHD is free.

Cineform is also a very strong contender, but I don't think the free version can do 4:4:4... on the other hand the free Cineform codec is .avi, is also 10-bit and is 4:2:2, so it might make a better workflow
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Thanks. I guess you do have to be carefully to lock in some pretty solid initial ACR processing since with the 10bits you won't have as much flex afterwards. I suppose I could grab a 4TB HD and a second for backup too ugh and also keep some stuff as true RAW if I get any particularly special footage.



May 15, 2013 at 06:51 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


Hmm Cineform actually has a 4:4:4 12bit option. A bit $$$ though.
And even with that you can't ever run it through the super power ACR tools again so I suppose you might always want the RAW packet for the really special shots. But that does become a bit much and for day to day usage of stuff not so hot at all.

I will look into them all.



May 15, 2013 at 07:02 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


OK, here it is!!!! The stupidest video in the history of motion pictures hah. So bad in so many ways, including that it sits there doing nothing for the first half like a still but anyway ISO3200, 1/50th,f/5.0,23.976fps:
http://vimeo.com/66220188

(that there was how long 4GB of RAW footage lasts )

I have to say that the power of ACR to process video is pretty mind-boggling. Most video grading tools seem pretty flimsy in comparison.

The color and tonality for HOME VIDEO from this 5D3 is out of this world! Nobody has even had this sort of power before unless they had like a few 10,000s laying about and then some $30,000 each for the lenses until a couple years ago and even then it's surely not been had in 5D3 size or price by any remote means (the upcoming BM 4k for 4k should be pretty amazing too though, of course it will need to additions to be useful). That is ISO3200 with a small tungsten light lamp!



May 15, 2013 at 07:15 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Guide: Get 24p RAW on a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern


^^ Incredible detail.

This is either going to fry a bunch of 5d3/2s or make Canon look really, really bad.

Next question: Will there be a way to directly output this to a HDD/SSD based media from the camera so we don't have to rely on slow, space-limited CF cards?



May 15, 2013 at 07:38 AM
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