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nikon65 wrote:
First, I'd like to say that although I have always been a Nikon shooter, I think Canon is an excellent system. I was thinking of switching over, but the only reason I didn't was that I was waiting for the 200-400. I have the Nikon 200-400, and it's an amazing lens. Tack sharp even with a converter. I really feel sorry for all you Canon shooters that have waited so long for this lens, only to pay almost double for it. I'm sure it's a super piece of glass. But for that kind of money, I can almost buy
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Even with two Nikon bodies you will not be able to change from 400-560mm as fast as the Canon user and you would be packing around a lot more weight.



May 17, 2013 at 05:14 PM
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Your right Imagemaster, I was just using that as a funny example. This built-in converter is going to give you 80mm more on the low end. With my 1.4 on my Nikon 200-400, I can go from 400-560 by just turning the barrel, just like Canon. With my 1.4 on, my range is 280-560mm. I'm usually looking for more than 560, rather than needing less than 280. And for almost $5000 more, I'll give up 80mm on the low end. I'm sure this lens is amazing, but the only thing that will hurt this great piece of glass is the price tag. For those of you that are going to buy this lens, I wish you all the best. Happy shooting !!!


May 18, 2013 at 10:20 AM
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Can this lens focus longer than 50ft away ?. I vaguely remember some posts from Thom Hogan, Joshua, and/or molson about Nikon version problem/limitation.


May 18, 2013 at 11:04 AM
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kewlcanon wrote:
Can this lens focus longer than 50ft away ?. I vaguely remember some posts from Thom Hogan, Joshua, and/or molson about Nikon version problem/limitation.

I was happy with mine up to about 40 yds. Worked better w/no BGs like shootin' aircraft but for fur n' feathers...
the 300 f2.8 VR w/wo TC's did a much better job. Maybe this Canon will be twice as good in that regard.



May 18, 2013 at 12:03 PM
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OTOH, the Canon may be weak at hummer distance.

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May 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM
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The price should provide some improvement on the distance I guess .. hopefully .

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I was happy with mine up to about 40 yds. Worked better w/no BGs like shootin' aircraft but for fur n' feathers...
the 300 f2.8 VR w/wo TC's did a much better job. Maybe this Canon will be twice as good in that regard.




May 18, 2013 at 11:35 PM
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kewlcanon wrote:
Can this lens focus longer than 50ft away ?. I vaguely remember some posts from Thom Hogan, Joshua, and/or molson about Nikon version problem/limitation.


The degradation with distance was gradual on mine back then. By 150 feet or so, it was really bad, practically unusable. My 70-300mm VR at 300mm performed better on the D700. Later on I discovered that if you unscrew the protective glass it performed way better. So, the protective filter is the culprit for the degradation but I sold off my Nikon gear shortly thereafter.



May 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM
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AGeoJO wrote: The degradation with distance was gradual on mine back then. By 150 feet or so, it was really bad, practically unusable.
My 70-300mm VR at 300mm performed better on the D700. Later on I discovered that if you unscrew the protective glass it performed
way better. So, the protective filter is the culprit for the degradation but I sold off my Nikon gear shortly thereafter.


This is interesting! Takes a Canon disciple see what I've been sayin' for years (falling on deaf ears) re: Nikon's 200-400.
Unscrew the front element (they provide a nifty zippered padded case to store it in) and it'll do better at greater
distances...the bokeh won't be so busy either. Thanks, Joshua Lemmie try this Canon out when you get it, 'k?!



May 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM
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trenchmonkey wrote:
This is interesting! Takes a Canon disciple see what I've been sayin' for years (falling on deaf ears) re: Nikon's 200-400.
Unscrew the front element (they provide a nifty zippered padded case to store it in) and it'll do better at greater
distances...the bokeh won't be so busy either. Thanks, Joshua Lemmie try this Canon out when you get it, 'k?!


Will, this Canon "disciple" is not getting the Canon 200-400mm . As attractive as the flexibility of the new zoom lens is, I will be using my prime for that FL range

Back to the Nikkor, mine came with an extra protective filter when I bought it because the one was on had a tiny flaw and the previous owner bought an extra one. After using it for awhile, I wanted to replace the original protective and before putting the new one on, I played with it without first. Lo and behold, the images at longer distances turned out to be sharp.



May 19, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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I know this is premature but I wonder if I am alone in thinking that this lens may replace the 500 f/4 II and 300 f/2.8 in my bag? If so then the cost, albeit horrendous, is covered. I was previously thinking of adding a 100-400mm but the 200-400 with a 70-200 may be all I need to shoot wildlife (obviously excluding birds which don't hold much interest). And if I needed more reach there is the 2x on my 1Dx or a 7d.

Am I missing something?

Geoff



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As I was told recently to ponder the thought, “But, if I were a Canon shooter and money was no object and I wanted to keep the weight reasonable I would take the following - 24-70/2.8 II, 70-200 2.8 II, 200-560 and then one wide lens like a Zeiss 21mm.”

Friend was referring to trips to like Africa or other places. If I’m going for tiny birds then a 500, 600mm or 800mm prime with extenders I would take. There is a reason to keep your 500mmII Geoff

I’m not giving up my primes but thinking the 300 f2.8 might go if the 200mm-560mm is as sharp. But the 300 would be lighter.

Here Canon is providing another tool to pick from to help match the task at hand. Not a tool for everyone or may not get much use. How many tools do we need? (we can leave Petkal off this question ). So there is overlap with different lenses, but some lenses are better for the task.



May 21, 2013 at 08:13 PM
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Not sure if this is posted yet. A new interview that Sports Illustrated legend Peter Read Miller did about the Canon 200-400mm zoom lens. Peter tested a pre-production vesrion at the London Olympics- see here:

http://pixsylated.com/blog/peter-read-miller-canon-200-400mm-london-olympics/



May 21, 2013 at 08:40 PM
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This 400mm lens ......

(1) Costs 1/10 of the 200-400L price.
(2) It is 1/3 of the 200-400L weight and perhaps 1/2 of the volume, and it has integral hood.
(3) Its AF response may turn out to be better than that of 200-400L, in half decent light or better.
(4) Its IQ is probably not significantly inferior.

OK, the lens is one stop slower than 200-400L, and, to whomever that might be important, it is not a zoom. Also, it doesn't have IS.

All in all, to me the 400 f/5.6 prime has a major versatility factor, and it is a big value for its purchase price.

Arguably, 200-400L is a very different lens, however, 400 f/5.6 fulfills my needs better for a minor fraction of the cost.

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I think the mentaility of people will have to undergo a major change when we see the images of the 200-400.
In the same way no one beleved that the new super teles when combined with series III converters coukd yield IQ and AF performance close to bare lenses i think the IQ of this zoom will be close if not matching the big primes.
We have lived in a world governed by zoom have poor IQ in comparison to primes. So as a super owner (300/400/500/600/800) i have snobbishly looked down my nose at the IQ of zooms.
Well the last few years with the release of the 70-200II and 24-70II have shown that is changing.
Looking at The MTF's this thing is every bit as sharp as the old 500 and within a hair of the new 500.
Prime sharpness with zoom flexibility combined with a 1Dx where any ISO hit due to 1 stop lower lens speed is insignificant and you have it all.
Cant wait to try one out!



May 21, 2013 at 11:40 PM
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dehowie wrote:
I think the mentaility of people will have to undergo a major change when we see the images of the 200-400.
In the same way no one beleved that the new super teles when combined with series III converters coukd yield IQ and AF performance close to bare lenses i think the IQ of this zoom will be close if not matching the big primes.
We have lived in a world governed by zoom have poor IQ in comparison to primes. So as a super owner (300/400/500/600/800) i have snobbishly looked down my nose at the IQ of zooms.
Well the last few
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Darren, you do make good points, and I am pretty sure that, practically speaking, the lens will produce prime like results (talking about IQ).

However, its key parameters are factual: nominal aperture f/4 at 400mm, 3.6 kg, and $12,000.
When looking at those key paremeters, the lens might make lottsa sense for those that need (or desire) its zooming feature. However, if a zoom is not a priority, then the lens loses its appeal very abruptly, particularly when compared to a faster/longer, lighter and cheaper lens such as 500 II.



May 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM
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WarrenL wrote:
Not sure if this is posted yet. A new interview that Sports Illustrated legend Peter Read Miller did about the Canon 200-400mm zoom lens. Peter tested a pre-production vesrion at the London Olympics- see here:

http://pixsylated.com/blog/peter-read-miller-canon-200-400mm-london-olympics/



The prototype was either much heavier than the production units, or he got confused about that whole matter. See this quote from his writeup:

"Physically the 200-400mm is quite compact—not much bigger than the current Series II 400 f2.8. In terms of weight, it’s slightly heavier—closer to weight of the original 400 "



May 22, 2013 at 01:36 AM
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Parlez vous Français?

http://www.focus-numerique.com/canon-ef-200-400mm-4l-is-usm-extender-1-4x-12-999-euros-news-4250.html

You can download some RAW files from this "review" to have a look at.



May 22, 2013 at 03:20 AM
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PetKal wrote:
This 400mm lens ......

........
All in all, to me the 400 f/5.6 prime has a major versatility factor, and it is a big value for its purchase price.
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With all the lenses we have she picks that one last weekend to go tour an event. Small, light, and easy to manage when just one camera and lens to bring. Could not agree more…



May 22, 2013 at 04:17 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
Parlez vous Français?

http://www.focus-numerique.com/canon-ef-200-400mm-4l-is-usm-extender-1-4x-12-999-euros-news-4250.html

You can download some RAW files from this "review" to have a look at.


Thank you, Geoff......in addition to several scenic shots, there are two portrait pictures in that source, shot at 540mm wide open, which look nice and sharp enough to me.



May 22, 2013 at 09:25 AM
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Good Morning Peter!,

I can see it being another engineering feat/benchmark for Canon in the sense as a previous poster noted; there is a paradigm shift towards the acceptance of zooms as "first-line" solutions. If a working pro can do more with less overall weight/bulk to cover an event, what else could one ask?

Good engineering practice (and time) waits for no one...

Regards,

Edd



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