Home · Register · Search · View Winners · Software · Hosting · Software · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
Username   Password

  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3       4      
5
       6              8       9       end
  

Archive 2013 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!
  
 
PetKal
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


mogud wrote:
I don't have any inside info, but it looks like this lens should be in the same bin as the 600II and as a result, less than $11k.


I hope so. This morning I called a couple of dealers in GTA, and apparently they hadn't received the CPS price yet.



May 14, 2013 at 06:22 PM
arbitrage
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


rscheffler wrote:
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but for those of us in Canada, the suggested retail price is $12,399.99.
http://www.canon.ca/inetCA/newsroom?m=getPress&pid=2097
http://canonlenses.ca/Get-close-from-a-distance/EF_200-400-4L_IS_USM_EXT-1.4X

Will be interesting to see what happens with CPS Canada pricing...


Vistek lists the official 600II price at 12,599.99. Although every store has sold it at around 11,395 since its release. The CPS price on it is $10,700. So I would guess probably the exact same price for the 200-400.



May 14, 2013 at 06:28 PM
arbitrage
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


PetKal wrote:
I hope so. This morning I called a couple of dealers in GTA, and apparently they hadn't received the CPS price yet.



Are you adding this to your collection/arsenal Peter?



May 14, 2013 at 06:29 PM
PetKal
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


arbitrage wrote:
Are you adding this to your collection/arsenal Peter?


Geoff, no interest at all, unless Roland ("Netexpress") gets it, in which case the peer pressure might get the better of me.



May 14, 2013 at 06:32 PM
mitesh
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


PetKal wrote:
Geoff, no interest at all...


Yes, Peter, making calls to every dealer in Ontario to inquire about pricing and availability is a clear indication of a lack of interest



May 14, 2013 at 06:43 PM
Imagemaster
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #6 · p.5 #6 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


skibum5 wrote:
It is a bit too long for sideline action in soccer and even more for sideline and endzone in football. For soccer they may be willing to go whatever since some shooters seem to shoot long prime and forget the close shots entirely (not sue I quite agree with that, but you can certainly do that reasonably fine enough). For football no way they wanna miss that endzone action right in front of them and no way, no way they go one body only with 200-400. NO WAY. Although I suppose they could try to body double up with 24-70
...Show more

I'm pretty sure there are a few more sports than soccer and football.



May 14, 2013 at 08:36 PM
Fred Miranda
Offline
Admin
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #7 · p.5 #7 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


PetKal wrote:
Geoff, no interest at all, unless Roland ("Netexpress") gets it, in which case the peer pressure might get the better of me.


Where is Roland anyways?



May 14, 2013 at 08:52 PM
chuckschilling
Offline

Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #8 · p.5 #8 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


Agreed. I can't imagine anyone putting down $12k of their own funds for this lens that isn't independently wealthy. If this were f2.8, well, maybe. But it ain't.


May 14, 2013 at 08:57 PM
PetKal
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #9 · p.5 #9 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


Fred, my 6th sense tells me that Roland will surface up again as soon as he places the (pre)order for 200-400L.


May 14, 2013 at 08:57 PM
mitesh
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #10 · p.5 #10 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


chuckschilling wrote:
Agreed. I can't imagine anyone putting down $12k of their own funds for this lens that isn't independently wealthy. If this were f2.8, well, maybe. But it ain't.


If it was a 2.8, it wouldn't cost $12,000 and it would need to come with two Sherpas and a mule to carry it around.



May 14, 2013 at 09:09 PM
 

Search in Used Dept. 



deepbluejh
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #11 · p.5 #11 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


Have to agree with the comparison to the 100-400L. I just cannot fathom how the extra stop of light of the 200-400 is worth 10 times the price of this lens. Sure, it's innovative and surely better optically, but the value proposition simply is not there.



May 14, 2013 at 09:09 PM
mitesh
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #12 · p.5 #12 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


deepbluejh wrote:
Have to agree with the comparison to the 100-400L. I just cannot fathom how the extra stop of light of the 200-400 is worth 10 times the price of this lens. Sure, it's innovative and surely better optically, but the value proposition simply is not there.


From a hobbyists point of view, that's likely very true. But remember, it's been positioned all along as a lens for professionals. For those individuals (and even hobbyists/gear heads with means), there are several differentiating factors between the two:

1. Newer 4-stop IS system
2. Faster, more responsive AF
3. Built-in TC
4. Top notch IQ
5. Better weather sealing and no push-pull
6. Much more complex engineering which obviously results in higher cost

If you're shooting for NatGeo, those things are likely well worth it. Don't forget that you can't compare the "old" design of the 100-400 with this one. Any potentially new iteration of the 100-400 is likely to reduce the price multiple from 10x to more like 4x.

That said, your point is still valid for most people today. It's just that the value proposition for pros isn't the same as hobbyists.



May 14, 2013 at 09:18 PM
gugs
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #13 · p.5 #13 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


If you forget the price, the lens is a very interesting concept. I am a Nikon shooter, with the D4+200-400VR being among my favorite combos (next to the 80-400VR to travel light) and I find the 200-400IS+built in TC a wonderful combo, also taking the potentially amazing IQ into account (at least based on the graphs). I find disappointing that prices are getting a bit crazy nowadays. If I were a Canon shooter, I would definitely look at that lens, the flexibility of the zoom range is amazing for all kinds of applications.

Guy



May 14, 2013 at 09:20 PM
Will Patterson
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #14 · p.5 #14 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


chuckschilling wrote:
Agreed. I can't imagine anyone putting down $12k of their own funds for this lens that isn't independently wealthy. If this were f2.8, well, maybe. But it ain't.


Or write it off as a business expense.

I think a lot of you are just frustrated/bummed that the price is so high. But I don't know why you all are so shocked about it. You have a constant f/4 aperture lens that gives you that f stop value at 200, 201, 202, 203, 204...397, 398, 399, and 400mm. Plus the built in converter. Plus the ability to add your own extender. Plus it is weather sealed, has 3 different IS modes, and is apparently optically VERY good, right on par with the other super tele's.

The 500 II is $10,400, and that's "just" a prime lens. With the 200-400 you get a huge range of versatility as mentioned previously, prime-like IQ, with all the benefits that come with that big red ring on the barrel.

Plus, remember the original EF 500mm f/4 L IS ended up selling brand new for nowhere near what it was selling for at launch..



May 14, 2013 at 09:22 PM
Pixel Perfect
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #15 · p.5 #15 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


jasonsim wrote:
hmm....I was initially excited about this lens maybe 2 years ago. But since, I picked up a 300mm f/2.8L IS II, which gives me a light weight 300 / 420 / 600 mm lens. All at very sharp IQ wide open. All for under $7k.



Yeah and if you get the mk I that'll save you another $3.5K. 300 Mk II is another lens with la land pricing. It's 40% more than I paid for the 500 f/4L IS mk I.



May 14, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Pixel Perfect
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #16 · p.5 #16 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


Scott Stoness wrote:
I have the 500 v1 and 600 v2 and am likely to buy the 200-400 and sell the 500 v1.I am just waiting for someone/somewhere to test it objectively as opposed to qualitatively. Hopefully the digitalpicture.com.

Several times while shooting wolves in the last 6 months (which you have to be really lucky to have the opportunity for) the wolf has decided to come to close and pose which has caused a mad scramble from 600/1.4 on 7d to 70-200 on 5diii. The 100-400 is a great lens but f5.6 on just makes the exposure too long. And 2
...Show more

Let's just hope that gorgeous Wolf doesn't have the misfortune to live in Montana or it's surrounding wack job states



May 14, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Fred Miranda
Offline
Admin
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #17 · p.5 #17 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


If Canon ever produced a 400mm f/4L IS, it would weight close to 6.5 pounds 'with' a 1.4x extender.
So, the new 200-400 f/4L packing close to 8 pounds does not strike me as heavy for what it is, considering the 200-400 range and the built-in extender.
Will Canon upgrade the current super telephoto line with a similar built-in extender down the road?
Maybe they will perfect the "DO" technology and give us a 500 and 600mm f/4 DO IS with Internal 1.4x extenders!



May 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM
burningheart
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.5 #18 · p.5 #18 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


PetKal wrote:
I hope so. This morning I called a couple of dealers in GTA, and apparently they hadn't received the CPS price yet.


If you find out let me know, I just sent a message to my contact



May 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM
Pixel Perfect
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #19 · p.5 #19 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


Fred Miranda wrote:
If Canon ever produced a 400mm f/4L IS, it would weight close to 6.5 pounds 'with' a 1.4x extender.
So, the new 200-400 f/4L packing close to 8 pounds does not strike me as heavy for what it is, considering the 200-400 range and the built-in extender.
Will Canon upgrade the current super telephoto line with a similar built-in extender down the road?
Maybe they will perfect the "DO" technology and give us a 500 and 600mm f/4 DO IS with Internal 1.4x extenders!


Fred I think you are a bit pessimistic there on weight. Way back when Canon showed off the 400 DO, they claimed a 400 f/4L would weigh around 3kg. Firstly I do not believe that at all and was done to paint DO in best possible light. A 400 f/4 has smaller front element than 300 f/2.8 and IMO 400 f/4 should be very nearly same weight as 300 f/2.8 (longer body but smaller main element), secondly new manufacturing process would also save probably 300-400g over that hypothetical original version. I'd say even with built-in TC they could easily bring it in well under 3kg, probably similar to 300 f/2.8L IS mk I, but certainly no more than 6lb. Also they could release a DO II and even with TC it might tip the scales at just over 2kg and certainly still lighter than 300 f/2.8 mk II.



May 14, 2013 at 10:36 PM
PetKal
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.5 #20 · p.5 #20 · Official: Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS 1.4X released!


burningheart wrote:
If you find out let me know, I just sent a message to my contact


I might have some more info in a couple of days.
However, I'd advise restraint regarding this lens purchase.

* It's a brand new design, not following any older path of succession.
* It's a very complex design, optically as well as mechanically.
* It would appear that there has been a relatively recent (post Olympiad) redesign effort dedicated to trimming the lens weight. It may well be that the pre-production units weighed close to 4 kg.
* The lens introduction delays might have been caused by major design, parts supply or fabrication problems. Some of those problems (or their solutions) could still linger in the initial production run, latent or otherwise.

As a general rule, whenever their products experience unduely lengthy/expensive development, companies begin to exert increasing pressure on the technical staff to "get the products out". The initial development quest towards product excellence/perfection thus gradually mutates into the "Is it good enough ?" dilemma. That kinda process sometimes results in very premature product release/introduction and sales.




May 14, 2013 at 11:13 PM
1       2       3       4      
5
       6              8       9       end




FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3       4      
5
       6              8       9       end
    
 

You are not logged in. Login or Register

Username   Password    Retrive password