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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


Thanks for all the info on FM, I choose this combo as a light weight rig for wild life shoot. I had a chance to try it last Sunday and the pleasure was all mine.

I out did myself and went to two different refuges in NJ same day. It was a beautiful spring day with spring blooms and birds and various critters around.


As a hobbyist and at my age, don't want to carry around a super tele, So I have tried everything else, from sigma 170-500, canon 100-400. canon 400 5.6. Nikon 80-400 ED, and Tamron 200-500. I waited for newer Nikon 80-400, but passed it due to focus breathing and cost. Nikon 300 f 4 is a lense I had never tried , I am a believer now, and D7100 extracts the best it has to give.

All shots here are hand held, talk about long lense technique.

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Thanks for all the valuable info one finds here on FM.



May 08, 2013 at 06:17 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


Great shots!

All of them are with the 1.7x TC? Can I ask you what aperture you were using? Are they cropped/sharpened etc?

I wish Nikon would update both lens (add VR please) and TC!



May 08, 2013 at 06:47 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


Albi - the EXIF on those is intact and it looks like they were all shot at f/7.1, which is not quite wide open (about 1/3 stop closed down).

tjny - looks great! I've got a whole lot of shots though my 300 + 1.7 and am virtually never disappointed. We'll see how much play time the lens gets with the new 80-400mm in the house, but I'm definitely not getting rid of it; it's far too fine a close up lens to part with. You should try getting some extension tubes and shooting bugs!



May 08, 2013 at 09:33 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


Thanks BV.

Even f/8 would be great for me. I'm planning to use this combo on a D600, so no problem. Actually the lower pixel density should affect it favorably.

I'm just waiting a bit because the telephoto market right now seems to be in strong boiling



May 08, 2013 at 12:40 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


binary visions wrote:
Albi - the EXIF on those is intact and it looks like they were all shot at f/7.1, which is not quite wide open (about 1/3 stop closed down).

tjny - looks great! I've got a whole lot of shots though my 300 + 1.7 and am virtually never disappointed. We'll see how much play time the lens gets with the new 80-400mm in the house, but I'm definitely not getting rid of it; it's far too fine a close up lens to part with. You should try getting some extension tubes and shooting bugs!


Thanks: I have been using ext tubes with 70-300 VR with great results and this could be even better combo.



May 08, 2013 at 01:11 PM
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Albi86 wrote:
Great shots!

All of them are with the 1.7x TC? Can I ask you what aperture you were using? Are they cropped/sharpened etc?

I wish Nikon would update both lens (add VR please) and TC!


Thanks: Light sharpening has been applied and half the shots are lightly cropped



May 08, 2013 at 01:21 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


Thanks. It's because I see some grain in some of the pictures, so I was wondering if it came from the sharpening


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Albi86 wrote:
Thanks. It's because I see some grain in some of the pictures, so I was wondering if it came from the sharpening

Shots with super teles are not much sharper but it is the creamy bokeh and subject isolation that we pay for in dollars and sweat carrying that load.



May 08, 2013 at 03:18 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


I'd argue that the exotic telephotos are noticeably and measurably sharper than the 300 + TC combo. I didn't do much back-to-back testing but most of my shots out of the 500mm f/4P are startlingly sharp.

I love my 300 + TC but there's some distinct softening that comes from using the teleconverter.



May 08, 2013 at 03:25 PM
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It's the poor man's 500mm, and the combination produces exceptionally good results for the money. Not everyone can afford exotic lenses either.

In my last few weeks of testing I'd argue that the 300mm f/4 af-s and 1.7tc is sharper than the new 80-400mm that I bought (on a tripod with remote). Also that it seems to isolate the subject better. Never had a chance to test both side-by-side unfortunately. Now I'm in a quandary.



May 08, 2013 at 03:45 PM
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ckcarr wrote:
It's the poor man's 500mm, and the combination produces exceptionally good results for the money. Not everyone can afford exotic lenses either.


Totally agree, which is why I own it.

In my last few weeks of testing I'd argue that the 300mm f/4 af-s and 1.7tc is sharper than the new 80-400mm that I bought (on a tripod with remote). Also that it seems to isolate the subject better. Never had a chance to test both side-by-side unfortunately. Now I'm in a quandary.

I actually did a bunch of side by side testing. The better subject isolation is due to the extra 100mm in focal length.

In terms of sharpness, the 80-400mm naked is sharper than the 300mm + 1.7x TC or the 1.4x TC. However, the 80-400mm + 1.4x TC is very slightly less sharp than the 300mm + 1.7x TC. Consequently, if your shooting is all at the long end and you can do without VR, the 300mm + 1.7x is a screaming bargain.

The second test below might indicate that the 80-400 + TC-14 is sharper, but from what I could see, it dropped off at longer distances faster than the 300mm + TC-17. Also, don't let the purple fringing deceive you - the 300mm has a lot of it, but it's easily correctable.






300mm f/4 + TC-17 (left) vs. 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 (right)







300mm f/4 + TC-17 (left) vs. 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 + TC-14 (right)




May 08, 2013 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


binary visions: Thanks for your test shots it appears angle of v with 300+ 1.4 tc ( 500) is smaller than 80-400 vr + 1.4 tc ( 560), Focus breathing ? that was one reason I passed on it.
You are correct super teles are sharper but in practice people take them for granted and set up at great distance from their subject that mars image quality due to atmospherics.



May 08, 2013 at 04:28 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · D 7100 & 300 F4 + tc 1.7ll


A little focus breathing, a little bit of the reality where zoom lenses are not always perfectly rated to their focal lengths, and a little bit of my testing imperfections where I was moving the tripod to test various focus distances for the different lenses.

For my uses, the focus breathing is a non-issue. There's a small range of scenarios where it would come into play, but generally, if an animal is letting me get close, the extra foot or whatever that I have to step forward to correct for breathing is not a problem, and a big chunk of the time I'm not able to get that close anyway. I think the focus breathing is something that looks really bad when you test it, and then you actually go out and shoot and find it's not nearly the problem you imagined.

For people pinching pennies, the 300mm + TC delivers a really excellent value proposition. Additionally, people who shoot exclusively at the long end or can carry multiple lenses are also getting a big win from the 300mm. The 80-400mm is pretty tremendous, though, and is a killer travel lens.



May 08, 2013 at 04:49 PM





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