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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Hi all,

It has been awhile since I have participated here. I'm glad to be back!

I shoot concerts and theater/musical theater. I often have to deal with horrible low light and long distances.

The primary combo I use for this is the D600 with the 70-200 VRII. I'm very happy with this setup and the low light performance is fantastic.. I routinely shoot at 4000 ISO and have great results.

I also carry a D7000 for a few quick wide shots if I need them. I am not very happy with this camera for this use simply because I cannot push the ISO nearly as high. 1600/2000 ISO is about the limit in the places I usually shoot.

I have been told that the 7100 has the same ISO performance of the D600. If that's true, I will buy one, but I can't seem to find anything reliable that makes that claim. Can anyone point me to this information?

I've considered just getting another D600 for this sort of shooting, but I often have need for a crop body. If the noise at high ISO on the 7100 is the same things will be much better for me.

Thanks in advance for the help!

B



Apr 25, 2013 at 02:17 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


I have been told that the 7100 has the same ISO performance of the D600.
You were told wrong...not even close.
FWIW, I can rock the older D7K sensor thru ISO5000 with no issues. The D7100 is similar
but neither approach the low noise of the FX sensors. That's just how it is.

D7K f2.8 ISO6400







D7K f2.8 ISO5000 SOOC






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Apr 25, 2013 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Will would know, he is the FM Nikon gear tester... ...plus I'm sure he has tried all of the above.

But it couldn't be the case that the dx camera released at about the same time as the fx would have the same high iso capability. That would be a neat trick even for Nikon!




Apr 25, 2013 at 02:25 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


^ I prefer shooter, but thanks!


Apr 25, 2013 at 02:27 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Have/had both (actually all three...), and if ISO2000 jpg-in-camera is your quality limit for the D7000, I'd say 2500 would be the D7100 "same quality" point.

It does however give slightly better detail and color detail at 2500 than the D7000 does at 2000 - but the noise is the same.



Apr 25, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Darn. I shoot nothing but raw if that makes a difference.


Apr 25, 2013 at 02:36 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Second D600 and you'll be a happy man . Or D800 (even better).


Apr 25, 2013 at 02:42 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Not even close.....DxOMARK


Apr 25, 2013 at 03:04 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


I tried out the 7100 at Best Buy. At 6400...it was seriously mind boggling how un-grainy it was compared to my workhorse-D90. The D7100 is a amazing performer for the price for a DX. But FX all the way for low light situations. D600>D7x00 in low light.


Apr 25, 2013 at 05:31 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


here is what thom hogan says on his blog about the question:

"So the first of the marketing messages is this: all else equal, FX probably gives you another stop of high ISO capability over DX. By that I mean that--assuming everything has been managed perfectly equal, which isn't always the case--when we make a 24" print from a DX body at ISO 3200 we should probably get visibly indistinguishable results from an FX body at ISO 6400. This also ties into one of my sub-themes lately: we have fast FX lenses, but we don't have fast DX lenses, so the differences tend to be actually higher in practice because we have FX folk shooting ISO 6400 at f/1.4 and DX folk shooting ISO 3200 at f/2.8 or higher. Still, the marketing message regarding the body is the same: FX is a better choice for very low light work, while the DX system should hold its own against FX in almost any other amount of lighting."

you can read more under the section titled "DX versus FX (again)" on his blog: http://www.bythom.com/index.htm



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


D7100 is a great camera, and I can't see noise being a big issue unless you're printing large sizes. Once thing I was guilty of awhile ago was pixel peeping all the time thinking this and that were terrible. But once I started printing things in normal sizes, I've never really cared. It makes me laugh the people that primarily just throw pictures up on the internet and care so much about issues at the most mundane level.

Enjoy the D7100, it's a fantastic camera.



Apr 25, 2013 at 06:34 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


blutch wrote:
Hi all,

It has been awhile since I have participated here. I'm glad to be back!...

B



b,

glad to see you back. i wondered what had happened to you.

i shot a dress rehearsal last night with both a d7100 and a d600. haven't had a chance to look at the results very carefully, and one night isn't much experience with either body....so i'm curious....what has been your experience with the AF on the d600 for your shooting environment?

td



Apr 25, 2013 at 07:40 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


D7k and D7.1k are similar with a slight edge to the D7.1k. D600 is about 1.5 - 2 stops better than the others, IMO.

Best for high iso is the D600, but I find that with the right lens, the DX bodies do quite well too.



Apr 25, 2013 at 08:04 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Will - you still feel this way after having the 7100 for longer?

B



Jun 29, 2013 at 03:55 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


blutch wrote:
Will - you still feel this way after having the 7100 for longer?

B

Yeah, couldn't see any difference (as much as I wanted to) over my D7K in low light high ISO shots.
Perhaps the D400 will close the FX gap somewhat, but I kinda doubt it.



Jun 29, 2013 at 11:16 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


I now have a D600, a D7100, and a D7000. I agree with what has been said above about the relative high-iso performance: the D600 is at least one stop better. However, when you downsize a 24MP D7100 image that is equally noisy as a 16MP D7000 image, you may find the noise a bit less noticeable.

Actually, making a 24MP DX sensor with the same low-noise capability as a 16MP DX sensor is quite an achievement.



Jun 29, 2013 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


blutch wrote:
Hi all,

It has been awhile since I have participated here. I'm glad to be back!

I shoot concerts and theater/musical theater. I often have to deal with horrible low light and long distances.

The primary combo I use for this is the D600 with the 70-200 VRII. I'm very happy with this setup and the low light performance is fantastic.. I routinely shoot at 4000 ISO and have great results.

I also carry a D7000 for a few quick wide shots if I need them. I am not very happy with this camera for this use simply because I cannot push the ISO
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I have the D7100 and chose it over the D600 because all in all, it's a better camera. However, if I were doing what you are doing, the D600 would be a better choice. The ISO limit for me on the D7100 is ISO 2000. It will focus in lower light than the D600 though. This is one of the very few times I'd suggest a D600 over a D7100.


Kent in SD



Jun 29, 2013 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


Thanks all. Kent, just curious.. why is a 7100 an all around better camera than the D600?

B



Jun 29, 2013 at 03:20 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


blutch wrote:
Thanks all. Kent, just curious.. why is a 7100 an all around better camera than the D600?

B


Better autofocus, mainly. It will not only focus faster, it will focus more reliably in much dimmer light. I am a night photographer and have been finding the D7100 can actually focus by moonlight! The way I look at it, the D600 cost considerably more than the D7100 (plus even more for me to replace Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 and Nikon 17-55mm f2.8 with equivalent quality Nikons 14-24mm f2.8 and 24-70mm f2.8. After spending those thousands of more dollars all I'm getting is one to one & half more stops of ISO and a less capable AF system. If I needed the extra stop of ISO it might be worth it, but I simply don't.


Kent in SD



Jun 29, 2013 at 03:29 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · D7000 vs D7100 vs D600 Low Light


So AF is it? AF between the 7000 and the 600 are about the same speed-wise. I do wish I had a wider focus area on the D600. It also seems to me that the difference is low light ISO is more than one stop. I don't have proof of that though, just practical use experience.

I have three bodies a D300s and D600 and a D7000. I trade them all in on one D4. Anyone wanna make that trade?

B



Jun 29, 2013 at 03:35 PM
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