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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


I picked up the Canon 55-250 IS yesterday and I'm in love with it so far. I love the 4 stop IS, the AF is not that noisy, and it fit's my needs perfectly.

I shoot a lot of portraiture but now I'm really questioning the use fullness of my Canon 85 1.8 since I have the 18-55 paired with the 55-250.

If you were in my situation would you sell it?

My photography has been leading to the more dark and moody side lately with the use of strobes so the whole narrow DOF look doesn't have much use for me and neither does the ability to shoot low light manner much to me since I normally overpower the sun with strobes to give the impression of night or shoot in daylight.



Apr 24, 2013 at 02:12 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


If it fulfills your needs, more power to you. I have a 70-200 2.8 II and still find the 85 1.8 useful in situations where 2.8 with IS is not enough. YMMV depending on your style of shooting.


Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


Frankly, if you want to do portraiture at any point, hang onto it, but then again, it is a cheap enough lens, that you can probably hunt one down later should you want it again.


Apr 24, 2013 at 02:29 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


It depends what you shoot

I love the shallow DOF, image quality and low light capability of my 85mm 1.8
And the AF speed is impressive!

If you're stopping down and using strobes, those advantages become less important



Apr 24, 2013 at 03:27 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


I'd recommend you keep it for a while, and if you don't use it or find you can simply do without it then sell.

I sold mine, and even with a number of other (and faster) 85's, I still regret it and plan to pick up another.

but I'm partial to 85's, love em.



Apr 24, 2013 at 03:31 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


I think if you stop using it for awhile, you'll startle yourself with how good it is when you pick it up again.


Apr 24, 2013 at 03:47 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


I have a 70-200 2.8 and an 85mm 1.8. There's no way I'm getting rid of the 85, light, sharp, fast and accurate focussing. As a portrait lens I think it runs rings around the 70-200 2.8. I only use the zoom when I'm not sure about the framing. Your 85mm should be a cut above the 55-250 for portraits.


Apr 24, 2013 at 03:51 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


Well honestly I don't think that I can go back to using lenses that lack IS after using lenses that have IS.

Sharpness/AF isn;t that important to me since I don't shoot in very poor lighting conditions and comparing the sharpness of my *kit* lenses to my 85 1.8 they all appear to have the same sharpness.

The 55-250 and 18-55 benefit from raising the sharpness up in PP and the photos appear as clear as what my 85 1.8 produces so IQ is not a reason for me to keep the 85 1.8

I'm thinking about selling it and using both lenses as straight F5.6 lenses and eventually when I go FF getting the 70-200 2.8 IS II and 24-70 or 24-105 F4 IS.

I'm thinking with the $300 or so I can get from the Canon I can open up a studio (I already have the space) and start to invest into studio strobes.

I guess that I'll hold onto it for another 1-2 weeks and if I don't find myself using it over the 18-55 & 55-250 combo I'll sell it as right now I love the utility to zoom and get the framing/perspective that I want on the go vs being stuck to one focal length and having a lens with a fast aperture.

Thanks guys.



Apr 24, 2013 at 04:12 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


One day is not enough time to truly get to know a lens. And 1-2 weeks is not much time either.

Don't fret about overlap of focal lengths. In the range near 85mm I have 50, 80, 85, 100, and 100-400. I would like to get a 24-70, a 70-200, and a 135 f/2 at some point. I doubt very much I'd sell any of the focal lengths, despite overlap and duplication. Each of the lenses has specific characteristics and usefulness.

Get some more experience and you may be glad to be "stuck" with a fixed focal length or two and the sharpness that does not need sharpening in post-processing.

Do you own a tripod? Master many kinds of photography before rejecting lenses.



Apr 24, 2013 at 05:41 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


3 stops faster in low light is a huge difference. Keep the 85


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


Monito wrote:
One day is not enough time to truly get to know a lens. And 1-2 weeks is not much time either.

Don't fret about overlap of focal lengths. In the range near 85mm I have 50, 80, 85, 100, and 100-400. I would like to get a 24-70, a 70-200, and a 135 f/2 at some point. I doubt very much I'd sell any of the focal lengths, despite overlap and duplication. Each of the lenses has specific characteristics and usefulness.

Get some more experience and you may be glad to be "stuck" with a fixed focal length or two and the
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I respect your opinion and I agree about needing time to learn a lens and be capable with it but I've had my 85 1.8 for 4 months.

As for the 55-250 it's use is pretty intuitive.

I don't own a tripod right now but plan to get one in the future but even then I doubt the 85 would see much use.

As for the post above me, the thing is that the 3 stops of extra low light performance mean nothing to me since I don't shoot in that low of lighting conditions.

I prefer having IS on a 5.6 lens over the speed of a 1.8 lens anyways since with the 85mm and no IS you need a shutter of at least 1/125 and machine gunning the shutter to get perfectly no camera shake photos from my experience whereas with the 55-250 @ 85mm I can shoot as low as 1/20th of a second thanks to its 4-stop IS.



Apr 24, 2013 at 06:31 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


"If you were in my situation would you sell it? "

No I wouldn't. You can keep it as backup in case something happens to your zoom, you may one day want to do wide open fast portraits, and in any case its a compact and great lens that will produce sharper images than most zooms. Unless you have a Canon 70-200 f2.8 L Mk2 in your bag I would definitely keep the 85.



Apr 24, 2013 at 06:38 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


OP: I think this thread was a mistake for the simple reason that far more people like what an 85 1.8 brings to the table than a long-range, slow zoom with IS.

And it sounds like you know just what you want. There's no question you can buy a used 85 1.8 in the future should you change your mind. But sticking arguing the point with the folks who disagree with you is a waste of time when you've already decided.




Apr 24, 2013 at 06:44 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


warrenjrphotog wrote:
I respect your opinion and I agree about needing time to learn a lens and be capable with it but I've had my 85 1.8 for 4 months.

As for the 55-250 it's use is pretty intuitive.

I don't own a tripod right now but plan to get one in the future but even then I doubt the 85 would see much use.

As for the post above me, the thing is that the 3 stops of extra low light performance mean nothing to me since I don't shoot in that low of lighting conditions.

I prefer having IS on a 5.6
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You still need 1/125 to get sharp shots with portraits if you want spontaneous stuff. 3 stops = ISO 6400 vs ISO 800. You could get a 50 1.4 instead which would give you another stop as an option. Nice portrait lens on APS-C



Apr 24, 2013 at 06:45 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


I'd rather own an 85 than kit zooms.


Apr 24, 2013 at 06:47 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


Yes, I would sell it.

For me the deal breaker with that lens was the performance wide open, which is the reason why I buy a prime. I also found the focal length to be not very versatile on crop.

I think you'd be better off with something in the 30-50mm range.



Apr 24, 2013 at 08:48 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


Meh. You sound like you're got your use case down and it doesn't require the 85. Sell it immediately if you want, it's not like you can't get another.


Apr 24, 2013 at 09:36 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


justruss wrote:
OP: I think this thread was a mistake for the simple reason that far more people like what an 85 1.8 brings to the table than a long-range, slow zoom with IS.

And it sounds like you know just what you want. There's no question you can buy a used 85 1.8 in the future should you change your mind. But sticking arguing the point with the folks who disagree with you is a waste of time when you've already decided.



+1

To the OP, what's the point of creating a thread if you already know your answer?



Apr 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


Big difference in DOF and background blur between f/1.8 and f/4.5+, particularly on a crop-sensor camera. But if you are abandoning "normal" portraiture and weddings as you seem to imply, get rid of the lens.

Based on your posts here on FM, you seem like the kind of guy that needs to learn by first-hand experience rather than by being taught or mentored by others. Given that, I'm not sure why you continue to waste your time posting these things.



Apr 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Debating usefullness of 85 1.8 now that I have the 55-250 IS


In my experience the 55-250IS is a revelation for such a cheap lens but it's achilles heel is it's bokeh which is very nervous.

If I were going to take serious portraits I'd always go for my 85 1.8 in preference.



Apr 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM
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