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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


It seems slow off the starting-blocks and the few who have received the lens seem reluctant to post many photos (perhaps to busy actually shooting).

Anyway, I need to see some real live samples to quench my curiosity so I'm hoping this thread will get things rolling. I don't care much for 100% cropped photos of brick walls as I'm sure that, technically, it's close to flawless (lenses in that fl never seem to struggle) and sharpness is more than good enough. It's the over all character of it that interests me.

Looking at the MTF charts comparing it to 100MP they seem almost indistinguishable and as the 100MP is considered by many not only optically close to flawless, but also renders beautifully it's a tall order for the 135 to best it.

Any takers (or givers)?



Apr 12, 2013 at 07:43 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Just had to use search function, here is the thread:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1194057/0?keyword=zeiss,135#11386057



Apr 12, 2013 at 09:18 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


I was aware of that thread, two people posting photos 6 weeks ago. Don't seem to get much traction sadly.

Na´vely I may have thought that starting from a clean sleight might trigger some interests.



Apr 12, 2013 at 09:50 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Beautiful lens which also seems to have a character.


Apr 12, 2013 at 10:03 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


I don't have any pretty pictures but I ran it through Imatest this morning -- absolutely smoking resolution. Handily beat my favorite lens, the Canon 135 f/2.0


Apr 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


The lens just hasn't hit the shops yet. Zeiss have been promising 'next month' since last December.

Cheers, Simon W.



Apr 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


RCicala wrote:
I don't have any pretty pictures but I ran it through Imatest this morning -- absolutely smoking resolution. Handily beat my favorite lens, the Canon 135 f/2.0


You have the lens and all you do is run tests on it?



Apr 12, 2013 at 01:03 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


I actually have the Ze mount CP.2 - don't have the standard ZE - but I had it for a total of 3 hours before it went out on rental. I have some lovely pictures of test charts, but somehow I don't think that's quite what everyone wants


Apr 12, 2013 at 03:14 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Sure, bring it on

So, is the 135L still your favourite lens? Do you actually enjoy manual focus, or are you an AF guy?



Apr 12, 2013 at 10:24 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Shock horror - MTF data predicts lens quality..who knew?
Rodluvan, one of the reasons some of us could be so confident about the superior performance of the new Sonnar as compared with the 100MP is that it is exactly *not similar* in MTF response...

The following numbers are either 'almost indistinguishable' or very different:

100MP f2: 58-80-89
135mm f2: 63-83-94

100MP f4: 70-86-93
135mm f2: 82-92-96

These are at IC.

And at f4 the Sonnar is stronger at the frame's long edge than the 100MP is in the centre! Very few lenses see north of T=80% for the fine detail 40lpmm.

Though the 135/2's amazing performance does drop a little over the frame it's very linear - you won't notice it...it also has APO, and you are asked a mere few hundred extra $$ over the still very great MP. Zeiss are amping up for the 36Mp plus sensors in ZEF as well as the new series (55/1.4), they will not be left behind.

Didn't jamesmd have some images recently, don't recall exactly...



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


philip_pj wrote:
Shock horror - MTF data predicts lens quality..who knew?
Rodluvan, one of the reasons some of us could be so confident about the superior performance of the new Sonnar as compared with the 100MP is that it is exactly *not similar* in MTF response...

The following numbers are either 'almost indistinguishable' or very different:

100MP f2: 58-80-89
135mm f2: 63-83-94

100MP f4: 70-86-93
135mm f2: 82-92-96

These are at IC.

And at f4 the Sonnar is stronger at the frame's long edge than the 100MP is in the centre! Very few lenses see north of T=80% for the fine detail 40lpmm.

Though the 135/2's amazing performance does drop
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I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing (I'm going to assume you're not equating better looking MTF charts with 'superiority' in a general sense). However, the numbers you're citing mirrors my assumption that they are very close indeed (within a few percent, about the same as the 100MP bests the 135 in distortion) and they're both in a very top, which is why I don't care much for pixelpeeping as I'm sure they'll both 'bring it', but would like to see samples of focus transition and character (which I can't interpret form MTF charts). Also, as the 135 is for many intended as a portrait lens, it would be interesting to see if effort have been put in place to develop character fitting for such a lens, just like I prefer the 1.4/85 for portraits over the 100MP.

But less talk from me, let the photos do the talking and we can all have our difference of opinion when the pudding is on the table.



Apr 13, 2013 at 09:13 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


The bokeh rendering is much different than the ZA135/1.8 which I prefer. The New 135 bokeh is strongly drawn compared to the ZA which separates the background from the subject better. The new one looks very sharp and mostly free of loCA being APO.Bokeh is subjective and I am sure new lens will do well.


Apr 13, 2013 at 05:52 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


wayne seltzer wrote:
The bokeh rendering is much different than the ZA135/1.8 which I prefer. The New 135 bokeh is strongly drawn compared to the ZA which separates the background from the subject better. The new one looks very sharp and mostly free of loCA being APO.Bokeh is subjective and I am sure new lens will do well.


Mmm, yeah, so far I haven't seen anything that blows me away even remotely (disregarding the technical aspects). I don't know if it's due to processing or if that's the way it is. Seems so very unlikely, but until more samples drop in I'm on the fence.



Apr 13, 2013 at 07:25 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


I agree as well. The 100MP is full of character, but has too much CA. The 135/2 fixes the CA, but seems to lose some character. I think my preference is for the character with CA, but I am watching this thread attentively (as well as some others).


Apr 13, 2013 at 07:46 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


I'm one of the lucky ones who got the ZE version early.
Focusing on my 5DMKII is very easy, easier than with my now sold MP 100.

I've done a handheld bokeh study for myself. Hopefully it might be of some interest for other Zeiss addicted.

The pictures are slightly cropped and light sharpening applied, no other PP.

f2

Forsythia by photooe, on Flickr

f4

Forsythia by photooe, on Flickr

f5.6

Forsythia by photooe, on Flickr

f8

Forsythia by photooe, on Flickr







Edited on May 01, 2013 at 02:50 AM · View previous versions



Apr 14, 2013 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Here are a few from today, taken with the ZF.2 135/2, at f/2, on the D800:










Apr 15, 2013 at 03:04 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Really slow focus transition, like 35/1.4.
Bokeh in #3 is what I was talking about earlier.
Saving up for 55/1.4 instead!



Apr 15, 2013 at 05:14 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Thus far, have to agree with Wayne and Carsten...Lee Saxon was saying a while back that Zeiss were 'playing it safe' with some of their new lenses, there might be some of that here. Unless they were aiming for a super sharp medium distance field lens, an area where the 100MP excels, ironically, it being a 'macro'.

Everything shown here is a close up...you feel on top of the subject at 135mm.



Apr 15, 2013 at 05:31 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


Thanks for the samples photoe and Thorsten.

One word leaps to mind: clinical (I can hear Zeiss opticians; "Great, now they're complaining over it being too perfect!!").
I can't say this excites me very much at all, but alas it's too early to say, and ultimately until one tries it out for oneself it's very dangerous to say.

Edited on Apr 15, 2013 at 07:02 AM · View previous versions



Apr 15, 2013 at 06:25 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Zeiss Sonnar 2/135 ZF/ZE Pics Thread


I might agree with "clinical", though its still early. I haven't done any comparisons yet with my 100MP, but my impression is that this is a quite different beast, certainly no "100MP minus the CA".


Apr 15, 2013 at 06:36 AM
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