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chez wrote:
Put that D800e sensor into the 5d3 body and I would agree with you.


Yes, but that may very well become The Last Camera for many folks, ya? Somehow, I suspect Canon is making every attempt to delay what Thom Hogan calls 'The Last Camera Syndrome' for everyone. That explains the incremental, if not lack of, updates...



Mar 22, 2013 at 01:39 PM
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p.2 #2 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


thw2 wrote:
Yes, but that may very well become The Last Camera for many folks, ya? Somehow, I suspect Canon is making every attempt to delay what Thom Hogan calls 'The Last Camera Syndrome' for everyone. That explains the incremental, if not lack of, updates...


Good point, but it would be fun doing some open sensor surgery and creating Frankencamera



Mar 22, 2013 at 01:54 PM
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p.2 #3 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


Bones74 wrote:
Good point, but it would be fun doing some open sensor surgery and creating Frankencamera


I mentioned it a while ago, but it might be a good new business model to allow putting together your own camera of single components ordering them online from Canon somehow similar you built your Dell PC for example. You could choose the AF system, the sensor, the quality of the viewfinder, LCD screen, CPU performance etc. Then everybody would be satisfied, sports and wedding shooters as well as fine art and landscape photographers. But I can't see that this will happen soon, likely we will all need to live with incremental and purposely delayed camera updates for marketing reasons.


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Mar 22, 2013 at 02:02 PM
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p.2 #4 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


Sneakyracer -- Very nice work, thanks!

I wish you had a Nikon to Canon adapter to show that Zeiss on both cameras.

The 14-24 does look pretty fantastic. It's always hard to believe a zoom could be so good.

Looking forward to your 24 TS-E vs. 24 PC results, but I'm pretty sure it will show how embarrassing the Nikon offering is.

I agree with your conclusions about the Nikon color shift, LV and UI/controls -- deal killers for me, even though that sensor is great.

Bring on the comparisons, I love reviewing these photos. Thanks again!



Mar 22, 2013 at 02:03 PM
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p.2 #5 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


thw2 wrote:
Yes, but that may very well become The Last Camera for many folks, ya? Somehow, I suspect Canon is making every attempt to delay what Thom Hogan calls 'The Last Camera Syndrome' for everyone. That explains the incremental, if not lack of, updates...


Yes, but if they keep on trying to flog old sensor technology for another generation of cameras...they will start to bleed customers...me for one. I am awaiting what they bring out next in the 5d camera system...if they don't put any focus on a high Rez camera, I will definately give a good look at what else is out there at the time.



Mar 22, 2013 at 02:06 PM
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Yes, but if they keep on trying to flog old sensor technology for another generation of cameras...they will start to bleed customers...me for one. I am awaiting what they bring out next in the 5d camera system...if they don't put any focus on a high Rez camera, I will definately give a good look at what else is out there at the time.


The 5D IV will surely have a new sensor in it just by looking at the former order of updates: 5D classic with first FF sensor in its class outside 1Ds, 5D II with improved sensor but same AF as in 5Dc, 5D III improved AF but same sensor as in 5D II. I bet 5D IV will have a new sensor but no other significant improvements.

Better question is when we will see a 5D IV in the first place. I meanwhile think it is certainly not going to happen this year (the market is down too much) and seeing Canon's strategy from the past I tend to believe that they really only implement it first in a 1D body with a high price tag. They might not care what the competition does! In this case we won't see a 5D MkIV before end of 2014 earliest, but who knows. Cameras can only get better, and more choices will be out there anyway.



Mar 22, 2013 at 02:35 PM
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Also, I am having made some 20x30in prints today to have an idea how all this translates to paper


Mar 22, 2013 at 02:57 PM
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thanks for the comparison. No surprises here.
as someone who has extensively used the nikon 14-24 on my 5d2 and 5d3, and also briefly on a d600,
Its a flare monster, and takes no filters. other than that, its an exceptional lens. However, I find my 16-35II more versatile, though not as spectacular b/c of the 2 mentioned reasons.
The DR difference, I found useful when shooting in to the sun. It essentially took away need for a 2 stop bracketting, or using a 2 stop gnd (this is d600 compared to 5d3).
B/c I use my canon for more than just landscape (family with fast primes, etc) I have shied away from d800, secondary to the focus issues it has had. It is still very inviting. I have also read from multiple sources that the live view leaves much to desire for landscape shooting. otherwise, it would be a perfect camera for me, not only for large landscape prints, but also b/c of high pixel density, for wildlife shooting.



Mar 22, 2013 at 03:06 PM
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Thanks for the comparisons and opinions. One observation I made was re: the night scene, if these were all shot from the same position, the canon combo looks a fair bit wider than the Nikon with 14-24mm. This would also come into play when you are comparing them pixel to pixel because it would add to the resolution difference in a negative way for the Canon.


Mar 22, 2013 at 03:07 PM
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p.2 #10 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


chez wrote:
Yes, but if they keep on trying to flog old sensor technology for another generation of cameras...they will start to bleed customers...me for one. I am awaiting what they bring out next in the 5d camera system...if they don't put any focus on a high Rez camera, I will definately give a good look at what else is out there at the time.


You are right. But they'll wait until they've lost significant market shares... In 2012 market for interchangeable lens cameras, Canon leads with 40.6% followed by Nikon with 34.7%. Obviously, there is no urgent need for them to offer significant upgrades yet...



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p.2 #11 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


JohnBrose wrote:
Thanks for the comparisons and opinions. One observation I made was re: the night scene, if these were all shot from the same position, the canon combo looks a fair bit wider than the Nikon with 14-24mm. This would also come into play when you are comparing them pixel to pixel because it would add to the resolution difference in a negative way for the Canon.


Hi, I think the Canon is a touch wider but Its also aimed slightly more to the left so the composition is exact. I do think for sure the 24mm TSE is wider than the 24 PC-E. Will test for this also.



Mar 22, 2013 at 03:17 PM
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p.2 #12 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


thanks for doing this. very insightful.


Mar 22, 2013 at 03:23 PM
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p.2 #13 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


thw2 wrote:
You are right. But they'll wait until they've lost significant market shares... In 2012 market for interchangeable lens cameras, Canon leads with 40.6% followed by Nikon with 34.7%. Obviously, there is no urgent need for them to offer significant upgrades yet...


The only urgency I see is in the revenue streams where they have missed their projected revenues the last 2 years in a row. DSLR market share is one thing...but much of the market is starting to drift towards mirrorless systems which is taking away revenue from the traditional DSLR revenue. It will be a very interesting to see where the DSLR / Mirrorless markets lie in say 5 years from now.



Mar 22, 2013 at 03:59 PM
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p.2 #14 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


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Come on Canon...where is your high Rez landscape camera?


When I started digital in September 2006 with a 30D, the comparable Nikon (a D200 I believe) was a good camera looking for a sensor (it had a CCD). At ISO 400 the Nikon was starting to fall apart from luminance noise but I used the 30D most of the time at ISO 640 with no problems.

Sensor technology changes. It will change again.

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Mar 22, 2013 at 04:40 PM
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p.2 #15 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


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Sneakyracer - I am deabating between the three lens for my 5diii. Zeiss 15, Nikon 14-24, Canon 14 and Samyang 14.

At this moment I am leaning toward the zeiss 15. And your crops show it to be the best. The colors look better and the resolution looks higher on the zeiss.

So thanks for the post. I will be watching your next one.

Scott


Have you seen this scott .http://www.3d-kraft.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127:uwa-comparison&catid=40:camerasandlenses&Itemid=2



Mar 22, 2013 at 07:26 PM
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Scrolling down the screen, I coudn't tell which image is by which camera. They all look the same. I suspect this is the conclusion for the great majority of the viewers with interweb images and flipping through magazines. Then again I don't go looking for 10000% crops and hover a magnifying glass over a typical issue of Nat Geo mag.

I saw a very pretty photo in another thread.... shot by an EOS M with a kit lens.

Just use whichever works. Thanks for your efforts though.



Mar 22, 2013 at 08:39 PM
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p.2 #17 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


M Lucca wrote:
Scrolling down the screen, I coudn't tell which image is by which camera. They all look the same. I suspect this is the conclusion for the great majority of the viewers with interweb images and flipping through magazines. Then again I don't go looking for 10000% crops and hover a magnifying glass over a typical issue of Nat Geo mag.

I saw a very pretty photo in another thread.... shot by an EOS M with a kit lens.

Just use whichever works. Thanks for your efforts though.


I guess these cameras and lens are not for you. I can see a huge difference in the cropped images which translate into differences in large prints. That much I know.



Mar 22, 2013 at 08:51 PM
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p.2 #18 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


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I guess these cameras and lens are not for you. I can see a huge difference in the cropped images which translate into differences in large prints. That much I know.


I'm just a pixel infidel.



Mar 22, 2013 at 10:46 PM
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p.2 #19 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


For such size shots 5mpx camera probably will do as good too I believe 5D3 is perfect body at this days and I don't need 36mpx. Interesting that 14-24 producing slightly better contrast than 14L even I don't think it is better lens.


Mar 22, 2013 at 11:18 PM
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p.2 #20 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles


Breitling65 wrote:
For such size shots 5mpx camera probably will do as good too I believe 5D3 is perfect body at this days and I don't need 36mpx.


Someone mentioned Thom Hogan in the thread and in his review he says something very similar. That the D800 is outside the sweetspot for most photographers. I have no doubt that Canon is looking at it in the same way. They will develop a response to it but it's not a high priority. If the low ISO DR/high MP market drove Canon sales you better believe they would have an answer to it. Business is business.



Mar 23, 2013 at 01:28 AM
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