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p.2 #1 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Two23 wrote:
If you've followed the FM forums long, you know I've also been holding out for a D400 for years. Last week I bought a D7100. I have to say that the improvements to the AF system plus the 24mp resolution make this overall a better camera than my D300. It's not perfect, but it's very good. So far, I'm happy. It seems to focus my old Niko 80-400mm VR faster than the D300 did.

Kent in SD



Wow, that's saying something Kent. Do you find the lack of buffer depth an issue?

I still think Nikon needs to come out with a D400.

Cheers,
Andre



Mar 21, 2013 at 02:35 AM
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p.2 #2 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


mfrank999 wrote:
By the way I will be shooting both in jpeg.


You just made your whole thread irrelevant by this stipulation.



The JPG compression is the same.
All you're getting now is a difference in crop from 36mpx meaning you'l have more to zoom in to.


Why even bother shooting in JPG, are you shooting sports and need the FPS? If thats the case, why bother with a D800 which has terrible FPS.



Mar 21, 2013 at 04:12 AM
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If you've followed the FM forums long, you know I've also been holding out for a D400 for years. Last week I bought a D7100. I have to say that the improvements to the AF system plus the 24mp resolution make this overall a better camera than my D300. It's not perfect, but it's very good. So far, I'm happy. It seems to focus my old Niko 80-400mm VR faster than the D300 did.

Kent in SD

WHy are you holding out? If the D800/D4 releases were any indication of Nikon's future product strategy is that the old system you're used to: D300->700->D3/s/x is now undone. Nikon says the 7100 is their flagship DX camera.



Mar 21, 2013 at 04:19 AM
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p.2 #4 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Andre Labonte wrote:
Wow, that's saying something Kent. Do you find the lack of buffer depth an issue?

I still think Nikon needs to come out with a D400.

Cheers,
Andre


If the AF is truly better than the D300 that is one less reason for Nikon to release a D400, though there's still clearly a price point that a D400 could fill.

I agree that a true D300 replacement is a no-brainer for Nikon however I doubt they feel the "need" as much as we do

Cheers
Leigh



Mar 21, 2013 at 04:40 AM
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dmora wrote:
WHy are you holding out? If the D800/D4 releases were any indication of Nikon's future product strategy is that the old system you're used to: D300->700->D3/s/x is now undone. Nikon says the 7100 is their flagship DX camera.


Nikon Europe said it was not...



Mar 21, 2013 at 04:42 AM
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p.2 #6 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Kent and Will - thanks for the response and photos. So far, everything seems quite positive for the D7100. I'm very tempted to join your ranks. Now I've just got to sort out this whole sequestration/furlough thing and see how the camera budget is impacted...

David - a Colorado Nikonian



Mar 21, 2013 at 04:55 AM
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p.2 #7 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


monochrome wrote:
Nikon Europe said it was not...



And Nikon Japan calls it a "middle-class DX-format D-SLR" ...



Mar 21, 2013 at 07:11 AM
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p.2 #8 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Hi Will, I know it's probably a little early, but how does the AF compare to the D7000?

Graeme



Mar 21, 2013 at 09:06 AM
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p.2 #9 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Daniel,
The main reason I want to shoot jpeg is file size going into my computer. It is an older model and bogs down with raw files.
I understand the files will be the same size in jpeg but, does that mean the image quality is also the same?



Mar 21, 2013 at 04:38 PM
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Image quality is not necessarily worse by only shooting Jpeg -- but you do throw away a LOT of data -- so your ability to post process a badly exposed image is pretty much moot by shooting jpeg. So if you are going to use images SOOC in jpeg -- then you need to nail the exposure pretty well in camera. You also submit to the camera doing the thinking of how your image is going to look in the end. There are plenty of folks here that shoot Jpeg SOOC -- The monkey is one of them, and his images are stunning.


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p.2 #11 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Are you saying if i shoot jpeg, and a photo is underexposed or over, in IPhoto, I will not have the ability to use shadows, highlights, sharpen etc to correct it (lighten, darken, sharpen, noise reduction, crop, etc.)?


Mar 21, 2013 at 07:58 PM
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What you'll have is less ability to lighten shadows or darken highlights. Sharpening isn't really affected.

A RAW file contains a lot more bit depth for every pixel - that is, a pixel in a JPG file has 8 bits, or 256 possible values. A 14 bit file contains more than 16,000 possible values. So, what's "black" or "white" to a JPG file (that is, has zero color information), might actually contain a ton of color information in a RAW file, allowing you to pull back those white, blown highlights, or get detail out of those dark shadows.

Similarly, because there's so much more information about every pixel, you can more accurately adjust white balance or other color issues with RAW files.

I always shoot RAW because I never know when I'm going to miss exposure on a file, or snag some random shot that I really like and want to process.



Mar 21, 2013 at 08:06 PM
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p.2 #13 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Thanks for a great explanation.


Mar 21, 2013 at 08:25 PM
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p.2 #14 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


gfinlayson wrote:
Hi Will, I know it's probably a little early, but how does the AF compare to the D7000?

Graeme

Howdy, Graeme. It's just like shooting with my D800/D3/D700...night and day better than the D7K.
(should be noted I typically get 98% in focus with the lowly Multi CAM4800 and have been trading
my proven settings for a microbrew goin' on 2 yrs now. It's very good BUT the CAM3500 is quicker)

This D7100 might be tweaked for low light and appears to exceed the AF speed of my FX trio
Too soon to say for sure but it's most encouraging. HTH, Will



Mar 21, 2013 at 08:25 PM
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p.2 #15 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


I would say shooting either RAW or JPEG is a personal choice since there is no such an orthodox way that says that is the only way. There are some very successful shooters, such as Jay Maisel and Antonin Kratochvil, who only shoot jpeg without any retouching and are considered great shooters.

here is an interview with Antonin Kratochvil, in which he talks about his process.

http://youtu.be/n4Lfx8fh8_E



Mar 21, 2013 at 08:44 PM
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p.2 #16 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Will,
What is the "FX trio"?
Marty



Mar 21, 2013 at 08:47 PM
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p.2 #17 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


mfrank999 wrote:
Will,
What is the "FX trio"?
Marty


My D800/D3/D700, Marty.



Mar 21, 2013 at 08:49 PM
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p.2 #18 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Wow!!!!


Mar 21, 2013 at 08:54 PM
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p.2 #19 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Mine just arrived!!!!


Mar 21, 2013 at 08:55 PM
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p.2 #20 · D800 DX mode vs. D7100


Doug Maclean wrote:
This should be interesting.Just picked up a 7100 2 days ago.Was going to get a d600 but shot it side by side with my d7000 and cropped the d600 shots to the size of the d7000.Every d7000 shot had better resolution and color depth.Doug


This is not at all surprising. You are cropping a 24MP image to 10MP, and comparing to 16MP. A much better test would be to resample the D600 images to 16MP. Then you will find the D600 results to be superior.



Mar 22, 2013 at 12:17 AM
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