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p.1 #1 · Broncolor Para 88


Anyone have experience with this light shaper. It has my interest but hard to find real life opinions and comparisons. I shoot with Profoto but Bron actually makes an adapter for Profoto heads for this .
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Mar 12, 2013 at 07:10 AM
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p.1 #2 · Broncolor Para 88


Looks like a cheap Swiss knock-off of Briese.




Mar 12, 2013 at 07:49 AM
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p.1 #3 · Broncolor Para 88


Don't have one, no plan for getting one. From the samples on Bron USA blog and users' youtube video, I don't see a huge difference vs. the 39" DO, it's easier to setup plus the unique "focus" ability, but the price is prohibitive. I would get a Para some day though, either a 170 or 220-now that's a significant difference vs a large Octa.


Mar 12, 2013 at 03:46 PM
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p.1 #4 · Broncolor Para 88


A few brief closeup samples from Dan Lim in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Itzk0RNAd6E#t=185s

An interesting use of it from Urs Recher at Broncolor here - http://www.redbullillume.com/stories/news/article/on-the-move-with-broncolor.html

Definitely a cool light, very quick to setup. Focus and defocus is awesome to have, as well as a straight reflector from the back. The fall off is awesome when using the focus rod, and that wraparound light is really nice. Definitely worth renting at the very least to see if it works for you. It's pretty big to travel with... similar in size to the 170 when folded up, as the arms don't fold back on themselves like the larger Paras.



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p.1 #5 · Broncolor Para 88


rico wrote:
Looks like a cheap Swiss knock-off of Briese.


Rico unless you live in Breise'ie land there is nothing cheap about this 4K + modifier



Mar 13, 2013 at 02:40 AM
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p.1 #6 · Broncolor Para 88


It's a really nice modifier, i've used the 88 and the larger one. Size is escaping me right now.

Works well, all the parts are a+, the material is sort of rubbery, not what i was expecting. If you didn't take care of it, you could easily punch a hole through it.

I personally feel its a bit overpriced. But then again, i feel that way about the entire Bron line. If you are shooting F64 or multishot type things or need critical color consistency, then Bron is your manufacturer.

But otherwise, i feel it's a bit overkill. This is my opinion....

Elinchrom and Profoto make extremely good gear and have modifiers that even Bron users adapt. The EL Octa or the Large Magnums come to mind. I think you'd be a bit underwhelmed going from Profoto to Bron on just the 88 modifier alone.

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Mar 14, 2013 at 05:01 PM
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p.1 #7 · Broncolor Para 88


photosymbol wrote:
It's a really nice modifier, i've used the 88 and the larger one. Size is escaping me right now.

Works well, all the parts are a+, the material is sort of rubbery, not what i was expecting. If you didn't take care of it, you could easily punch a hole through it.

I personally feel its a bit overpriced. But then again, i feel that way about the entire Bron line. If you are shooting F64 or multishot type things or need critical color consistency, then Bron is your manufacturer.

But otherwise, i feel it's a bit overkill. This is my opinion....

Elinchrom and Profoto make extremely good gear and have modifiers that even Bron users adapt. The EL Octa or the Large Magnums come to mind. I think you'd be a bit underwhelmed going from Profoto to Bron on just the 88 modifier alone.

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I am very satisfied with Profoto and do not anticipate jumping ship ever. Profoto's modifiers are vast and rock! I inquired about the Para 88 first because it seems to be an incredible modifier and secondly works with Profoto heads. Some good info but not sure if I can justify the expense....however this has got my wheels turning on making a indirect mount for Profoto deep octa.



Mar 15, 2013 at 09:05 AM
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p.1 #8 · Broncolor Para 88


I use the Para 88 with a modified Briese light setup. The focus tube is Briese, same with the flash tube and flash head adaptation. This feeds into a Broncolor Scoro S 1600 pack.

In the stock form, the Para 88 is in a class by itself. Very nice character of light and ideal for small studios. The para 88, imo, stands head and shoulders for ease of setup against it's larger brothers, the para 170 / 177 and the para 220 / 222. Very light weight, very fast setup and no crank needed. There are videos showing the larger paras needing spline and cable replacements that have had lots of usage. I do believe it's a 4 hour repair job - not my kind of thing. I have yet to see a para 88 mechanism break, but then again, it's a fairly new piece. With the Briese, if anything breaks, it's very easily fixed. Carbon fiber rods for the support rods and if one snaps, it's a 5 minute repair job max.

For my larger para setup, I use the Briese Focus 180. Exceptional. Much lighter in weight than the Para 170 / 177 and much faster to setup than the bron. Also, the Briese only requires a lighter duty stand due to the weight savings. Remember that the Briese only has the focus tube and the flash tube being suspended - you're probably talking a max of 2 to 3 pounds. With the broncolor, you might be dangling the 6 to 8 pound flash heads at the end of their focus rails, plus the rails weight substantially more than the Briese focus tube. Definitely an uneasy front heavy feeling. The broncolor para 170/177 is offset from center for the units purchased in the United States to prevent Briese from suing them for patent infringement, that of the centered light source, or so broncolor claims.

The profoto large umbrellas are completely different in function, number of segments and rail design. The "adjustable" rail is actually fixed segments - you can't vary the length smoothly as you can only add a fixed amount of length when you want to adjust the spacing of the light source from the center of the umbrella. Also, much less number of segments than the 24 that Bron and Briese have.

Para 88 full kit with profoto adapter is around $4400 to $4500. Briese Focus 85 umbrella, umbrella alone is about $4500. You still have to buy the flash tube, focus tube, stand mount holder, flash head and the flash pack. Flash tube is around $1000 to $2000 depending on which one you get. Focus tube is also around $1000. Stand mount is a couple of grand if I remember correctly. Flash head and flash pack - very expensive. You're looking at $10,000 to $15,000 easily for a full rig. I personally don't like the Briese flash heads or their flash packs. They can design a excellent parabolic umbrella, but their electronics need quite a bit of work. That's why I use the modded version with the Broncolor Scoro S. Simply the fastest pack with regards to t.1 times at the higher power levels. Yes, much faster than the Einstein packs, but that's a huge price differential.

PLB Einstein does 1/580th of a sec, t.1 at 640 ws. The Broncolor Scoro S, at 600 ws speed mode, does this in 1/6000th of a sec as measured with a t.1 Broncolor FCM meter. You can also use a photodiode hooked up to a oscilloscope that has store and capture ability. Just read out the times from the 10 percent mark leading and trailing edges of the waveform.

But yes, para 88 can be overpriced but it depends on the clients that you photograph. If you're doing high end work with the prices to match, it is worth looking into.

Probably the ultimate combo for outdoor fashion shoots would be the para 88 and the new Broncolor MOVE L 1200 pack. Just outstanding.

Hope this info helps.



May 11, 2013 at 07:01 AM
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