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Sayeret18
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p.1 #1 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


So here's the challenge:

I have a 1.6 crop camera (say the 7D), a flash and a good tripod. I can spend no more than $2800 to buy three lenses - and ONLY three lenses - plus a 2X converter.

I am pretty obsessive about IQ and will use the kit for general purposes (e.g. vacations; land/city scapes; indoor family events such as birthday parties, graduations and dinners; portraits; candids; occasional zoo/wildlife; occasional birds; once a year air show and so forth). Most of my captures are either 18mm and below or 100mm and up, with some clustered around 50mm.

I'm come up with two options: (1) Tokina 12-24 II ($350), Canon 24-70 v.1 ($950), and Canon 70-200 non-IS ($950), plus the Canon 2xIII ($450), leaving $100 to spare; or (2) Sigma 17-50 2.8 OS ($550), Canon 135 ($750) and 200 2.8 ($600) primes, plus the Canon 2xIII ($450), leaving $450 to spare. Given the three lens limitation, I'm strongly leaning toward option 2, given its combination of low weight, high IQ and relative affordability (I'm not shooting sports anymore and so I can make do with the primes). What would you do? Are there better alternatives given the three lens and budget constraints?

Thanks!



Feb 27, 2013 at 03:55 PM
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p.1 #2 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


Any reason you need the f2.8 70-200? The f4 non IS version is 1/2 that price and every bit as good apart from below f4 & the less then idea focus with an f4x2tc :-) but would let you move from the Tokina to the 10-22 which IMO is the best wide lens on a crop - dead straight.

I see little point to both the 135 & 200 since a 135 with TC would be close to a 200 f2.8 prime anyway (basically identical for the 1.4tc).

I know you say 3 lenses but you also mention airshows... thought about the 400f5.6? Maybe drop the converter, swap the f2.8 to f4 and get this as well - I didn't do the maths and it's another lens obviously since it would not replace the others??



Feb 27, 2013 at 04:31 PM
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p.1 #3 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


Used canon 17-55 2.8IS and used ($800+) 70-200 2.8 IS II ($1850+)

You said you want the best IQ and these lenses have it. Find a way to scrape together money for a 2x coverter (knowing that 2x converters really knock down IQ). Or just add a used 400 5.6 as well.



Feb 27, 2013 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #4 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


robstein wrote:
Any reason you need the f2.8 70-200? The f4 non IS version is 1/2 that price and every bit as good apart from below f4 & the less then idea focus with an f4x2tc :-)


+1

If you don't need f2.8, the f4 IS zoom is incredible quality and value for money.



Feb 27, 2013 at 04:51 PM
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p.1 #5 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


neither combo. Go with following:

12-24 Tokina ($350)
canon 85 1.8 ($350 )
canon 300 F4 IS ( $900 )
Canon 1.4x III or II ( $450 / $250 respectively). Get / keep the kit 18-55 just for kicks and giggles.





Feb 27, 2013 at 04:53 PM
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p.1 #6 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


I need the 70-200 2.8 to keep autofocus capability for those few times I need the 400mm reach. The 85/300 pairing is a very interesting idea.


Feb 27, 2013 at 04:58 PM
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p.1 #7 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


Sayeret18 wrote:
So here's the challenge:

I have a 1.6 crop camera (say the 7D), a flash and a good tripod. I can spend no more than $2800 to buy three lenses - and ONLY three lenses - plus a 2X converter.

I am pretty obsessive about IQ and will use the kit for general purposes (e.g. vacations; land/city scapes; indoor family events such as birthday parties, graduations and dinners; portraits; candids; occasional zoo/wildlife; occasional birds; once a year air show and so forth). Most of my captures are either 18mm and below or 100mm and up, with some clustered around 50mm.

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According to your requirements, you shoot alot below 18mm. You will leave yourself wishing you have a wider than 17mm if that's the case. Check out what you can do used based on average selling prices for 9+ to 10 gear.

Canon 10-22 for wide $650
Canon 50 1.8 $120 (new)
Canon 70-200 f4 non is $600
Canon 24-70 v1 $950ish (new)
Canon 2x II $230

This would get you a mix of new and new quality used lenses for about 2500 with enough left to get another used flash or some new filters, or spare battery and grip etc.

Option to just dump the 24-70 all together get a 1.4x instead of the 2x and replace the 24-70 with a 300 prime with or without the 1.4 I'm like you in that I have some shots clustered around 50, and shoot either longer then 70 or wider than 20 and don't miss the lengths in between even though I have the option to.

4 awesome lenses plus a converter instead of 3 buy mixing new and top quality used. So many options.



Feb 27, 2013 at 05:02 PM
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p.1 #8 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


Sayeret18 wrote:
I need the 70-200 2.8 to keep autofocus capability for those few times I need the 400mm reach. The 85/300 pairing is a very interesting idea.



if thats the case why not just rent when you need 400? The 2x tc while pretty good for what it is on the 70-200 2.8 isn't really the best way to get to 400. The 400 5.6 will outperform it substantially from a AF perspective and probably offers better IQ as well. The 100-400 will offer similar results to the 400 5.6. and also gives you native 100-400 vs the TC. Considering what you said you are going to mostly shoot a fast "normal" zoom makes sense. There is non better on aps c than the 17-55 2.8 IS, used it can be had for $700 that will be your work horse for events etc plus it doubles as a great portrait lens at 55mm 2.8. For the wide side of things the 10-22 is excellent and can also be had used for $700 or less. Worst case at this point lets say you are out $1400 or so with $1400 left to spend. You could go with used 100-400 (1100) or a used 70-200 f4IS (900) and a 85 1.8 (300) at this point depending on what your needs are. That kit makes a good deal more sense to me than any of the two you mentioned.



Feb 27, 2013 at 05:14 PM
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p.1 #9 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


10-22
50/1.4
70-200/2.8 IS II
1.4X TC II

Buy one of the high-dollar lenses as a refurb and this fits your budget. I don't know why you'd spend $1000 on a marginal f/2.8 zoom in a range you don't use.



Feb 27, 2013 at 05:33 PM
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p.1 #10 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


With a crop sensor, you have a lot of options, but you need to figure out which focal length is suited to you.

For me, when I had a crop sensor the 17-50mm range is the bread and butter for general purpose photography of people, landscapes etc. It is equivalent to the 24-70mm for the full frame and hence why it's so popular. Canon makes a wonderully sharp 17-55F2.8IS for $700-$800. Alternatively, I have had a lot of success with the Tamron 17-50mm original non OS version. This goes for about 350.00.

I'm not sure if you have used a 2x teleconverter, but it usually degrades the IQ as well as slows the autofocus down. People usually resort to TC when they don't have the lens with the right focal length with them. If you want to take pictures of birds I would either choose a fixed focal length of 400mm F5.6 or the 100-400mm zoom lens if you need the flexibility. They go for about $1000 and $1200 used respectively.

Although the 17-50F2.8 is relatively fast with the 2.8 aperture, I would also tend to add one lens that is fast for portraits and times that you need a narrow DOF or in dark situations where you need as much light as you can. The focal length depends on what you like to shoot. You usually have a chose of either the sigma 30mm F1.4, canon 50mm F1.4 or the 85mm F1.8. They all go for about $400.00. Personally I would choose the 50mm F1.4 for portraits, and maybe spend a little more to get the sigma 50mm F1.4 as it's a bit sharper.

So in summary this is what I would do with a crop sensor camera and your needs:

Tamron 17-50mm $350.00
Canon 50mm F1.4 $400.00
Canon 100-400mm $1200.00
Total = $1950.00 (way under your budget)

A bit better versatility if you need a faster telephoto zoom lens would be to swap out the 100-400 with a 70-200F2.8IS ver 1 (1500.00) and add a 2x TC ($450). Total would be $2700. Still within your budget.



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p.1 #11 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


saneproduction wrote:
Used canon 17-55 2.8IS and used ($800+) 70-200 2.8 IS II ($1850+)

You said you want the best IQ and these lenses have it. Find a way to scrape together money for a 2x coverter (knowing that 2x converters really knock down IQ). Or just add a used 400 5.6 as well.


+1 for for this suggestion. Later add the 2X VIII. Great quality and versatility and you can carry it all in one medium sized sling bag.

Steve



Feb 27, 2013 at 06:21 PM
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p.1 #12 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


Thanks everyone, this is very helpful.


Feb 27, 2013 at 07:37 PM
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p.1 #13 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


If I owned a crop I wouldnt be without the 17-55f2.8IS


Feb 27, 2013 at 07:46 PM
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p.1 #14 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


Why the interest in teh 2x TC? Doesn't seem to fit your needs at all. You aren't doing birding, so I would at most get the 1.4x but for now I'd forget the TC. If you want a 70-200 I can recommend IS as definitely being worthwhile. I owned the 70-200 f/4 and while IQ was superb, once I moved to the IS version I was getting far more keepers and could shoot in much lower light.

Another option is the 70-300L IS: Here's one kit I would consider

UWA: Tokina 12-24 f/4, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5
WA: Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS or Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 (VC)
Telephoto: 70-200 f/4L IS, 70-300 f/4-5.6L IS, Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 OS



Feb 27, 2013 at 09:47 PM
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p.1 #15 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


RobDickinson wrote:
If I owned a crop I wouldnt be without the 17-55f2.8IS


+1. I also wouldn't be without the Canon 10-22mm. My suggestion therefore (purchasing used):

Canon 10-22mm ($550), Canon 17-55 (750) and Canon 70-200 f/4 IS (900) or Canon 70-200 f/2.8 non IS (900). My math isn't that strong but lots of cash left over for an extender if you chose the 2.8 version of the 70-200. Heck, you could even throw in a Sigma 30 1.4 if you wanted a good prime for crop sensor (though that would up the lens count past 3).



Feb 27, 2013 at 10:29 PM
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p.1 #16 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


I don't see the need for mark III TC for lenses listed.. I think OP can do just fine with Mark II TC.

/r
Andy



Feb 28, 2013 at 01:37 PM
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p.1 #17 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


This is helpful and useful. Thanks!


Feb 28, 2013 at 06:14 PM
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p.1 #18 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


ggOk wrote:
I don't see the need for mark III TC for lenses listed.. I think OP can do just fine with Mark II TC.

/r
Andy


+1 I'd get a Mark II TC.



Feb 28, 2013 at 06:23 PM
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p.1 #19 · Kit Challenge: Crop camera plus $2800 for 3 lenses and a 2X converter - WWYD?


If it was me I would remove the 2x teleconverter from my list and get the following:

Tokina AT 12-24mm f/4.0 ($400)
EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM ($710)
EF 400mm f/5.6L USM ($1340)

I would bank the difference or use it to buy a 1.4x teleconverter if I really needed it or better yet get the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM for $370 so I had a faster lens in my camera bag, or get the EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM instead of the Tokina WA lens.



Feb 28, 2013 at 11:00 PM





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