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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Looking for a wide angle zoom for my 5D2 and I'm having trouble deciding between these, for interior and exterior real estate mostly:

17-40 (~$650)
16-35 Mark I (~$850)
16-35 Mark II ($1150)

Not sure how much I'd need the extra 1mm from the 16-35, or the extra 5 on the long end for the 17-40. I do also have a 24-70 mark I.

How does the IQ compare? What were the problems with the 16-35 I (why was it replaced? still a viable option?)

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks



Feb 25, 2013 at 08:08 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


16-35mkII increased sharpness in the centre and reduced CA I think.

17-40 is very close to the 16-35's if you stop them down.

Consider the 17 or 24tse's



Feb 25, 2013 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


If you can stop down (which you can) the 17-40L is great value.

I also have a Sigma 12-24 mk1 which is stunning for interiors if you keep it upright and stop down a bit. 12mm and very little distortion makes for big impressive looking rooms



Feb 25, 2013 at 08:18 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


I don't like to muddy things up but I will, at under 1K the Tokina 16-35 f2.8 looks pretty nice IQ wise, you might look at this recently posted topic, the images are impressive.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1192615

I have the 17-40L and do like it a lot, got it used from here on FM and it's IQ is what I expected so is used a ton. With crop or FF bodies it's usually carried, with a fast 50 and 70-200f4 L, a 1.4x T/C makes for my walk around kit; a G12 is included just for grins.

Jerry

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Feb 25, 2013 at 08:20 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


I will be shooting at f/7.1-f/9 mostly.
The 24mm TS-E Mark I looks like it goes for about $700. What does the Mark II give for an extra $1000?

Also, I guess I could get the 17-40 and the 24 TS-E Mark I for the price of the 16-35 Mark II... hmm



Feb 25, 2013 at 08:21 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


MKII 24tse is much improved all round.

Almost no CA, much sharper non centre , independent rotation of tilt and shift, more shift etc.



Feb 25, 2013 at 08:33 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


All that Rob says is true about the 24 TS-E II, but the original is quite impressive when matched with LR4 (pick the profile for the 24/1.4 original, plus use the CA correction and you'll have a great image!). That's a great starter lens for architecture -- I'd rather have that than the new Samyang with its electronic aperture control and exif info.

You won't really need filters indoors (and can get by without them mostly outdoors), so you might try the Tokina 16-28/2.8 so many talk about. From what I've seen on forums, it makes better images than the 17-40/4. Personally, I like the 16-35L II, but that could be gotten later on.

I successfully used the original 24 TS-E and 17-35/2.8L for about 10 or 12 years, only upgrading a few years ago to the new 24 TS-E and 16-35L II. (that 17-35 isn't a bad starter lens either!)

Good luck on your quest.



Feb 25, 2013 at 08:52 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


For interiors having the flexibility to go wider is always good. I would also suggest the Sigma 12-24mm or 12-24 II. The version II is much nicer partciularly in towards the corners, it does have a bit more distortion but it corrects just fine in PTLens.



Feb 25, 2013 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


trueimage wrote:
I will be shooting at f/7.1-f/9 mostly.
The 24mm TS-E Mark I looks like it goes for about $700. What does the Mark II give for an extra $1000?

Also, I guess I could get the 17-40 and the 24 TS-E Mark I for the price of the 16-35 Mark II... hmm

The 24TS-E II just might be the best wide lens Canon has ever made. But the first version is no slouch. The other thing that TS-E lenses let you do is easily flat stitch images, which can be useful in tight spces. With a 24mm TSE you can stitch to get a similar field of view to what you'd get from a 17mm lens.





Feb 25, 2013 at 09:13 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


As others already noted, you should add Zokina 16-28 f/2.8 to the list. It has very low distortion, making it especially suited for real estate


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Every millimeter matters indoors. I'd buy the Sigma 12-24 and a tripod. Then the Tokina. Then the Canon 16-35, after the Tokina primarily because focus speed, flare, filters, and weight offer little advantage in your scenario to justify the extra cost. If your budget expands to infinity, try the 17mm TS-E. If it doesn't, you could try Sigma's 15-30/3.5-4.5. Very cheap used.

There's nothing wrong with the 16-35 I. It just wasn't that great in the corners at wider focals. The Tokina leaves it well behind.

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Feb 25, 2013 at 09:23 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Note a 17mm tse is like having a bunch of lenses. 11mm, 14mm, 17mm, 24mm (add 1.4tc)


Feb 25, 2013 at 09:25 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


RobDickinson wrote:
Note a 17mm tse is like having a bunch of lenses. 11mm, 14mm, 17mm, 24mm (add 1.4tc)


I was under the impression that as a general rule, the TC's only work well on tele lenses. I've never seen anybody use the wide TS-E's with them - does it work?



Feb 25, 2013 at 09:29 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Third-party TCs work on almost anything. I had no trouble attaching my Kenko 1.4X to my 10-22 for kicks. Edge performance suffers more at wider focals. Some lenses do worse with the TC than you'd get from upsizing a file from the bare lens.


Feb 25, 2013 at 09:39 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Canon TC's work on the TSE's


Feb 25, 2013 at 09:42 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


For your use, if you need a zoom lens I would go with the 17-40mm. It's very close to the 16-35II when stopped down. Of course there are sample to sample variations, but on a tripod and stopped down that amount, you won't benefit from the extra cost of the 16-35II lens.

If you don't need the zoom lens, I would really look at the TSE lenses for architecture. You can stitch together the shifted images for a wider perspective as well as correct with the lens for distortion. It's not as flexible as the zoom and doesn't have autofocus, but for architecture it should be good. There is a lens coming out from samyang for a 24mm tilt and shift that should be an economical alternative to the canon variety, but it's not out yet.



Feb 25, 2013 at 09:47 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Massimo Foti wrote:
As others already noted, you should add Zokina 16-28 f/2.8 to the list. It has very low distortion, making it especially suited for real estate


Can't LR4 fix most/all distortion now almost with 1 click? seems to do it to my eye...



Feb 25, 2013 at 11:12 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


I dont think it does complex distortion like the SY14?

Also removing distortion costs in sharpness.



Feb 25, 2013 at 11:20 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


Scott Hargis' kit included the 17-40, 24mm TS-E and the 14mm rectilinear as of 2010, so I'm sure my skill won't get to his level and won't outgrow that gear.

Not sure super wide is always required, although small bathrooms etc could be a challenge.



Feb 25, 2013 at 11:21 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Wide Angle Zoom choice?


For wide angle zoom I used to think there were "options". After comparing the 16-35i and ii, I feel there is only 1 option (at f/2.8).

I'm told that the 17-40 is fantastic stopped down and similar to the 16-35ii. I really have limited experience with the 17-40, aside from wide open.



Feb 25, 2013 at 11:31 PM
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