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p.7 #1 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


dthrog00 wrote:
Bushwacker,

What did you end up deciding to do? If we went with the 2/35 how do you like it compared to the 1.4/50? I've been interested in a wider angled Zeiss and the 2/35 seems to turn up used reasonably often at decent prices. Before I was concerned about 35 vs 50, but I think they may be able to coexist.

Dave


I didn't buy the 2/35 yet.... I am still waiting for other's comparo.



Jul 16, 2013 at 02:27 AM
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p.7 #2 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


Lars Johnsson wrote:
I have both lenses. But I'm abroad so I can't post any samples or comparison (3D) from them until I'm back in Sweden.
Yes the Zeiss 35/2 is sharp wide open. But the Sigma is sharper at f/2 than the Zeiss. The Sigma is extremely sharp already wide open f/1,4.
And the Sigma has at least as much pop as the Zeiss. IMO it has a bit more.
I would recommend people that can (most is for subscribers) to look at diglloyds comparisons with many pics at different apertures. From Sigma, Zeiss, Nikon & Canon 35mm lenses



would you care posting some samples? are you back now in sweden? this will help us a lot



Jul 20, 2013 at 01:03 PM
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p.7 #3 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


anything yet? I meant the 35mm sigma 1.4 3d rendering.


Sep 19, 2013 at 02:54 PM
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p.7 #4 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


theSuede wrote:
You want a sharp wide open wide angle lens? You're not getting soft Gaussian bokeh. Just isn't happening.


+1

Optics are always a series of compromises ... pick your poison(s) ... and how much of it you can tolerate (correctable or not).

Which attributes/characteristics of lens design yield more "3D-ishness" vs. which attributes/characteristics of lens design yield softer Gaussian bokeh? How many of them are the same vs. opposing. When things are opposing, it's kinda tough to have it both ways simultaneously ... and thus the compromises of drawing style/lens design begins.


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Sep 19, 2013 at 03:43 PM
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p.7 #5 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


I actually have both, but I haven't compared those yet. I had a shootout between Sigma and CY35/1.4 and tbh found Sigma better for my liking.


Sep 19, 2013 at 03:52 PM
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p.7 #6 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


A spot of 3D on Fuji Finepix S5







Sep 19, 2013 at 04:35 PM
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p.7 #7 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


Krosavcheg wrote:
A spot of 3D on Fuji Finepix S5


How about your sigma 50mm 1.4?



Sep 22, 2013 at 05:06 AM
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p.7 #8 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


Krosavcheg wrote:
A spot of 3D on Fuji Finepix S5


honestly, something in the bokeh there is giving me a headache to look at. it could be due to downsizing/sharpening though.




Sep 22, 2013 at 05:10 AM
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p.7 #9 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


Generally speaking, your eyes look for the edges of any straight lines and edges and they are everywhere in the image - all OOF. Except maybe the near edges of the arty bridge span. Focal plane looks like the water spouts - sharp droplets.

Images with nothing much in focus will get your eyes looking at edges and detail like the tree leaves, and this lens gives gradual fall off, exacerbating the situation, as there is no real bokeh, everything is unsharp but still has identifiable detail. Apart from leading lines, I see little real 3D.

But people see differerently. S5 Pro - isn't that APS-C, so ~50mm crop?



Sep 22, 2013 at 05:50 AM
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p.7 #10 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


It feels a bit busy in OOF areas..kind of floating.
Live 3D effect..

Finepix S5Pro is 1.5x crop...



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p.7 #11 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)




Ok guys.... this site says Canon 35mm f2 IS USM got better bokeh than Sigma 35mm f/2

read on

http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/847-canon35f2isff?start=2



Oct 02, 2013 at 10:19 AM
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p.7 #12 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


I don't know about that. These samples show the typical smearing and blotchy greens and browns that so many Canons have, in addition to an apparent lack of micro-contrast. Given the price of that lens, I cannot imagine who would buy it. The Canon may beat the Sigma (f/1.4 I presume) on boke, maybe, but it gets trounced by the Sigma in every other IQ aspect, including colour, micro-contrast, aberration, and so on. And it has no 3D.


Oct 02, 2013 at 10:26 AM
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p.7 #13 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


If it wouldn't be for Photozone, a daft git like me wouldn't know what bokeh to like...


Oct 02, 2013 at 02:12 PM
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p.7 #14 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


ok i was just browsing around the net expecting someone might have posted a comparo

between the zeiss 35mm f2 and sigma 35mm f1.4...

Now I know what carsten, makten, wayne, sebboh and others are talking about...

no one from this thread talked about Zeiss' 3D they mention all about the technical aspects like sharpness, CA, etc...



Sigma 35mm F1.4 Smoked everyone (Zeiss included) According to Lenstip

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3351233



then I saw the posted pics.... I started laughing...





Oct 15, 2013 at 01:37 AM
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p.7 #15 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


whoaaaaaa

I know that this thread is about zeiss 35mm f2 vs sigma 35mm 1.4....

Here this reviewer claims that the Ziess 35mm f1.4 got the same onion ring Bokeh as the sigma 35mm 1.4

here's the review.

http://photographylife.com/reviews/sigma-35mm-f1-4/3



Nov 14, 2013 at 04:30 PM
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p.7 #16 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


bushwacker wrote:
whoaaaaaa

I know that this thread is about zeiss 35mm f2 vs sigma 35mm 1.4....

Here this reviewer claims that the Ziess 35mm f1.4 got the same onion ring Bokeh as the sigma 35mm 1.4


the ZE 35/1.4 can also show onion ring bokeh. pretty much any lens with (non hand ground) asph elements will do this under the right circumstances. some show more easily than others.




Nov 14, 2013 at 04:47 PM
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p.7 #17 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


dthrog00 wrote:
Bushwacker,

What did you end up deciding to do? If we went with the 2/35 how do you like it compared to the 1.4/50? I've been interested in a wider angled Zeiss and the 2/35 seems to turn up used reasonably often at decent prices. Before I was concerned about 35 vs 50, but I think they may be able to coexist.

Dave


dthrog,

here's my answer I went & bought Zeiss 35mm f2 atlast! like with all the experienced zeiss owners here they are accurate when they say things about bokeh, character and micro-contrast vs the sigma 35mm f1.4 --- I agree Sigma is sharper


bokeh between 50P and 35mm f2 is different.... 35mm f2 is easier for me to work with because I shoot close distances... about the 50P i have to remind myself about the distance and the f-stops when shooting close. I have to practice both lenses. I like them both.


Now sigma just released ( anounced ) another A lens 50mm 1.4 Art, i hope it's good too.

by the way a friend of mine is offering me his Contax 50mm f1.7 for $100 he is ready to post it on ebay for $200 any difference vs the ZE 50P? Knowing that this friend of mine has an OCD in terms of equipment he got, the lens is perfectly clean just like brand new.







Jan 11, 2014 at 07:02 PM
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p.7 #18 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


bushwacker wrote:
dthrog,

here's my answer I went & bought Zeiss 35mm f2 atlast! like with all the experienced zeiss owners here they are accurate when they say things about bokeh, character and micro-contrast vs the sigma 35mm f1.4 --- I agree Sigma is sharper

bokeh between 50P and 35mm f2 is different.... 35mm f2 is easier for me to work with because I shoot close distances... about the 50P i have to remind myself about the distance and the f-stops when shooting close. I have to practice both lenses. I like them both.

Now sigma just released ( anounced ) another A lens 50mm
...Show more

Congrats! Enjoy the Zeiss 2/35. I've tried two different 35's on rentals: The Zeiss 2/35 on crop sensor and Sigma 1.4/35 on full frame. I thought both were outstanding. I'm still using zoom lenses for any 35mm photography, but somehow have accumulated 3 50's!

Dave



Jan 12, 2014 at 03:28 AM
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p.7 #19 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


ok here's my question...


been shooting carl zeiss ZE 35/2 i noticed at approx 4ft to 2ft shooting distance my subject appears sharper compared to 6ft, 10ft and beyond they look softer.... is this really the nature of this lens? I am shooting at f2.

Seems like this lens likes to do MACRO shots and hates long distances at f2. While the ZE 50/1.4 Planar likes long distance.


i am thinking maybe it's my eyesight? can't see the difference when focusing long distances. I will do another shots today.




Apr 11, 2014 at 09:20 AM
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p.7 #20 · Zeiss 35mm f2 VS Sigma 35mm f/1.4? (3D effect)


In this 35mm topic I'm interested for years. I would like to have only one very good 35mm lens that it all, but struggling in a decision for one. Since years I use the Canon 35L in combination with ZE 35 2.0. The Canon gives me extremely reliable and fast AF wide open with very good sharpness and the Zeiss has more 3D, better contrast, more flare resistance (in comparison the Canon loses also a lot more contrast shooting against the sun) and excels wide open at close focus distances.

I compared both lenses with the ZE 35 1.4, and while I liked especially its bokeh and the more subtle rendering in some situations, I disliked its CA behavior, the size of the lens and that it was much more difficult to focus than my ZE 35 2.0, which is very easy to focus.

The Sigma got my attention as well and l watched hundreds of online samples with the intention to replace my two 35s with the Sigma. As good as the lens obviously is in most areas, I have a problem with liking its bokeh. And that's one of the most important points for me in a fast 35mm lens. I would like to see a direct bokeh comparison with the ZE in many different situations. Should be revealing for me.

Regarding 3D: the Zeiss certainly has a lot, even the most obvious from all lenses I ever own. In the Sigma samples I see a lot 3D, too. At least in the focus area. Regarding the overall image, I find that the in-focus-area of the Zeiss is more pronounced than in the Sigma, because the bokeh of the Sigma is very contrasty, which shifts the attention from 3D foreground to the background and therefore the foreground doesn't appear in the same way 3D as the Zeiss. That's me preliminary conclusion, but would, like you, really like to see direct comparisions of these aspects.



Apr 11, 2014 at 11:16 AM
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