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p.1 #1 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Bought a 6D body recently and am looking for a walkaround lens. I have a 24-70 2.8 mki, but I find it too heavy and bulky for walkaround shooting. I am looking for a lightweight versatile lens, to take hiking, camping, etc, in particular.

I understand the 24-105 sharpness is a bit better, but how much so in practice? And how bothersome is the lens creep on the 28-135? I can save about $400 and roughly 4 oz on the 28-135, so if the IQ is close, I might lean that way...

Anyone with experience with both on a FF?

Thanks

Tim



Jan 16, 2013 at 06:46 AM
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p.1 #2 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


I have owned both. The 28/135 was excellent on a film body. The 24/105 is superior on a ff digital body and worth the price. Plenty on the B&S board.
No lens creep for me on the 28/135, however, I purchased both of my 28/135s new.



Jan 16, 2013 at 07:02 AM
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p.1 #3 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


I have both lenses but I haven't mounted the 28-135 on my 6D yet. I'll give it a try tomorrow.


Jan 16, 2013 at 07:10 AM
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p.1 #4 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Compared to the 24-105, I found the 28-135 lacked contrast. The 24-105 also has good sharpness wide open whereas the 28-135 has to be stopped down, especially at longer FL's. The 28-135 has good value for money, but I prefer the 24-105.



Jan 16, 2013 at 08:11 PM
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p.1 #5 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Another option, on the even cheaper side, could be the 28-105/3.5-4.5 USM.
I have one on the way from KEH, with hood and caps, for $139 shipped.
I know it won't be the best, but for a walkaround zoom, it'll probably be awesome at under $150.
Eventually, I'll probably wind up with a 24-105L.



Jan 16, 2013 at 08:30 PM
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p.1 #6 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


My experience is the 28-105 is the weakest of the three, and lacks IS. Too bad, as it is really small and convenient.

The 28-135 IS that I currently own is very sharp in the center, and is great at 135mm, maybe it's strongest focal length. But the image is only great for the 50% area in center, and fall rapidly to softness on sides, corners never getting really sharp even at f/11. At f/8 it is pretty useful. That said, I bought it used for $170 and it is better than my original from the late 90s (cost me over $350 back then). IS is a huge plus, even if it isn't up to the 24-105 standards. I bought it for a knock-around lens for times I don't want to worry and don't want the weight of 24-70L original or 28-300L IS. Family stuff, snapshots, etc. LR4 helps clean up the CA and distortion making it far more useful than the original I had, pre-LR.

The 24-105 IS is going to have the best imaging, but will probably cost around $700. It's probably Canon's most versatile lens for all around use.



Jan 16, 2013 at 08:44 PM
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p.1 #7 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


There's no reason to prefer the 28-105 over the 28-135.

There's almost no reason to prefer the 28-135 over the 24-105. Both have prime-like center quality, but the 28-135 falls down in the corners on full-frame.

Here's 40mm f/5.6:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/163210/share/photo/28135_40mm_56.jpg

And the same with a (slightly decentered) 17-40/4L:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/163210/share/photo/1740_40mm_56.jpg

The 24-105 in similar or better than the 17-40.

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Jan 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM
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p.1 #8 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


I just got home, and my 28-105 (mk1) has arrived.
After quickly trying it out, I have come to the following conclusions:

1) This is a boring lens, but honestly not much more boring than the 40/2.8 I'm replacing with it.
2) I prefer ring USM over STM focus.
3) As mentioned above, this is not a great performer... but it was $139 shipped.
4) I think it will work great for my intended purposes. Walkaround/casual do-all until I get a 24-105L.




Jan 16, 2013 at 10:49 PM
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p.1 #9 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


tshore wrote:
Bought a 6D body recently and am looking for a walkaround lens. I have a 24-70 2.8 mki, but I find it too heavy and bulky for walkaround shooting. I am looking for a lightweight versatile lens, to take hiking, camping, etc, in particular.

I understand the 24-105 sharpness is a bit better, but how much so in practice? And how bothersome is the lens creep on the 28-135? I can save about $400 and roughly 4 oz on the 28-135, so if the IQ is close, I might lean that way...

Anyone with experience with both on a FF?

Thanks

Tim


Let me put it this way. I've not been a fan of the IQ of the 24-105 (especially wide end away from center on FF) and I though it did much better than the 28-135 on my 5D2. The 28-135 IS really did a lot worse than I expected.

If you want lower eight than the tamron 24-70 or canon 24-70 f/2.8 varieties the 24-105 or Tamron 28-75 2.8 or 24-70 f/4 IS are options. The Tamron 28-75 I actually thought was sharper than the 24-105 and it costs less and is smaller and for sure lighter too but it does have less range, much slower AF and no IS. If you don't shoot a ton right around 50mm the 24-70 f/4 IS might be a good bet, probably the best image quality of the three if you trust early reports (other than around 50mm, where it actually may be worst) and it has fast AF and IS and it's even lighter than teh 24-105 although perhaps heavier than the tamron 28-75(?). It is going from an early adopter premium now though, it seems most Canon stuff comes out $$$ these days and then drops a nice chunk a few months later. Best quality of them all is the 24-70 II 2.8 but it does weight more than some (a bit less than the 24-70 2.8 I though).

tamron 24-70 VC = 29.1oz
24-70 II = 28.4oz
24-105 = 23.6oz
24-70 = 33.6oz
24-70 f/4 IS = 21.2oz
28-135 IS = 19.2oz
tamron 28-75 2.8 = 18.0 oz (remarkably light for an f/2.8 FF optic)



Jan 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM
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p.1 #10 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


I shot with the 28-135 from 1999 to 2007. For the bucks it was a great lens and the IS feature a breakthrough for its day. Also ripping fast AF. I mainly used it on my film cameras and it later saw steady duty on my first 3 DSLRs. When I bought a 5D in 2006 it really showed its weaknesses and I traded up to the 24-105L. In terms of sharpness at F5.6 or higher, they are close. Where the L zoom really pulled ahead was control of flare and contrast, plus it was sharper wide open at F4. If you shoot sunsets or night scenes with streetlights, the 28-135 has the worse flare and ghosting of any zoom I have owned, and I have owned many. I wouldn't say 28-135 built is bad but the 24-105 is a lot better. My 28-135 was older by the time I ditched it and the nested zoom was loose-as-a-goose, zooming at will with the slightest movement.

If I was nothing to spend money on a high rez FF camera, I wouldn't put anything but an L zoom on it. The 28-135 won't do it justice. If you want to cheap out until you save some money, consider a used 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM. Still not as good as the 24-105L but a notch better than the 28-135 and a lot more flare resistant.

My reviews:

http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/canon_ef24-105.htm
http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/canon_ef24-85usm.htm
http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/canon_ef28_135usm.htm



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p.1 #11 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


I just got anew 28-135 and love it. I use a 5D2 and I like this better than the tamron 28-75 I had. It was sharp but I didn't like the colors much. I have taken a couple pics the last few days with the 5d@ 28-35 combo.

IMG_2778-Edit by guitarjeff2810, on Flickr


IMG_2615 by guitarjeff2810, on Flickr



Jan 17, 2013 at 01:26 AM
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p.1 #12 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


The 28-135 is a decent lens but if you intend to shoot manual as a habit then the variable aperture will be a pain.

If you set your exposure while on wide at f3.5 (or on 135 @ f5.6) then as soon as you zoom you need to reset your exposure.

Not a problem on the 24-105



Jan 17, 2013 at 02:39 PM
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p.1 #13 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Chris Fawkes wrote:
The 28-135 is a decent lens but if you intend to shoot manual as a habit then the variable aperture will be a pain.

If you set your exposure while on wide at f3.5 (or on 135 @ f5.6) then as soon as you zoom you need to reset your exposure.

Not a problem on the 24-105


Chris -- I do agree: I prefer faster fixed aperture zooms when I can afford them.

Variable not really much of a problem in manual. In "action" situations, you simply have to get used to setting your aperture for 5.6 or smaller for all focal lengths. Granted, that is not a flexible as a fixed f/2.8 lens, which explains the popularity of those over variable.

Instead hassling with manually shifting aperture, I like to use the lens set to Aperture priority (Av) at its widest (or near widest aperture) focal length, with appropriate ISO for shutter.

Often there is simply no way the lens can be designed affordably with out using variable aperture zoom. I can't imagine how much the 28-300L would cost or how heavy it would be if it were a fixed f/4 lens! It's already heavy and around $2500!

The 28-135 IS and 28-300L IS are the only two variable aperture zooms I have at the moment.

jeffguitar -- Nice shot! Can we see any others?



Jan 17, 2013 at 03:16 PM
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p.1 #14 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


If I remember correctly, the 28-135 is already at f/5.6 at 80mm or so.



Jan 17, 2013 at 03:36 PM
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p.1 #15 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Gunzorro wrote:
The 28-135 IS and 28-300L IS are the only two variable aperture zooms I have at the moment.


Are you cheating or you sold the 15-85?

Just kidding, I love my 15-85 too, in fact it's my only variable aperture lens.



Jan 17, 2013 at 03:42 PM
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p.1 #16 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Massimo Foti wrote:
Are you cheating or you sold the 15-85?

Just kidding, I love my 15-85 too, in fact it's my only variable aperture lens.


Ha-ha! You are right! I was only thinking "full frame" !

Funny too, I just took that 15-85 off the 60D and went out and shot some test shots of the 28-135 on that body, based on our discussion here. I'm shooting similar on 1Ds3 to take a quick peek at the differences (not exact -- 15 minutes later and not same positions, but same subjects and general lighting).

Anyway, I was reminded how much I love that combo: 60D and 15-85. I never want to use it with another lens, it's so such a perfect arrangement.

The fun never ends!



Jan 17, 2013 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #17 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Have you considered the Tamron 24-135?


Jan 17, 2013 at 06:06 PM
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p.1 #18 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Hi. Yeah, so far the variable hasn't bothered me because I have only been using it in P mode because i have basically only taken shots out of the car window. No time to fiddle with manual while driving and i have just set my iso on 400 or even 800 on my 5D2 and the camera keep my shutter speed up for hand holding and adjusts to the aperture, so I don't pay it any mind while in that mode or the AV mode. For indoor flash stuff, portraits, I'll just set to 5.6 and I like that anyway for portraits because I have grown tired of the one-eye-in focus thing. If I want faster I just use my little nift fifty and it seems to be sharp stopped down to 2.2 so the 28135 is perfect for me Most of the time I just hang out in AV mode and the camera handles everything else and I can use compensation and the IS allows me to shoot at slower shutter speeds when needed as well. So i have found no trouble yet in my style of shooting. I think it's sharpness is very good.



Jan 18, 2013 at 02:48 AM
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p.1 #19 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Got this fella today with the 28-135, it's about a 50 percent crop. I love this lens and I also bought a Nifty fifty along with it. I got the 28-135 from B&H refurbished for $289. I figured they would probably send me a new one that was just out of a kit pack, I and I believe that's exactly what I got, no lens creep, perfectly as new. With the nifty fifty total price was about $389, and I can't imagine a better couple lenses for 389 bucks and both new.


untitled-2930 by guitarjeff2810, on Flickr



Jan 18, 2013 at 11:46 PM
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p.1 #20 · 24-105 vs 28-135 as walkaround lens for 6D


Get teh 24-105mm, since Canon bundles so many the price is is around 300 cheaper than the Nikon version of this same lens. Great value for the money wide range on FF and IS built in to the lens.


I did own the 28-135mm with is too, and like the L better of course its cost is a lot more but still very good for this type of lens.



Jan 19, 2013 at 02:55 AM
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