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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


Hello folks!
I have decided to jump to nikon. For the moment i am shooting with canon 5d and ze 21 and some L lenses. My question is what it is the highest iso you would use with this cameras for nothern light, and which would you choose. prints up to a2. This are the lenses i will buy 14-24 or zf 21-28 1,8 g-85 1,8g and later a telezoom.

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Dec 22, 2012 at 02:13 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


The highest iso I use is 12800. Now specifically for the northern lights? I don't know, maybe 400.


Dec 22, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


I was using 800-1600 on D7K for anywhere from 8-15 second exposures.


Dec 22, 2012 at 04:07 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


they are pretty easy to shoot. iso 1600 is a pretty safe bet. 3200 if they're really faint. On the order of 10 sec or so. Faster F the better.

Shorter exposure times to get rays better... longer for smoother looking shots.



Dec 22, 2012 at 07:47 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


Moonpeep.
I have decided for d800 due to the oil/dust problem with d600. If i can use iso3200 for up to a2 prints , then it sounds great. I have done lot of nl photograpy so i know the technique.



Dec 23, 2012 at 01:23 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


You'd better keep your exposures short with the d800 as amp glow is an issue at 3200 and higher. I'm not sure how the 600 fares in comparison.


Dec 23, 2012 at 02:20 PM
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Scott
what exposures time are you talking about ,when will the amp glow kick in? I guess its temperature dependent?



Dec 24, 2012 at 05:48 AM
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Scott Grant wrote:
You'd better keep your exposures short with the d800 as amp glow is an issue at 3200 and higher. I'm not sure how the 600 fares in comparison.


Never seen amp glow at ISO 3200 and 15 to 30 second exposures. Perhaps because I have long exposure dark frame subtraction turned on.

What I have seen is that at those kind of ISOs and exposure times, if I do push the shadows really hard I get a lot of noise in the red channel that can look like amp glow. Some judicious curves adjustment of the red channel usually cures it. Sometimes the noise is the red channel is ever so slightly higher towards the bottom of the frame, but in general it's very even.

John



Dec 24, 2012 at 06:56 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


don't forget excellent the Nikon D3X 24MP FX,5 FPS, and a couple of lenses! the D800E is also on sale, and I am sure a great choice!
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/843007-REG/Nikon_25498_D_800E_SLR_Digital_Camera.html



Dec 24, 2012 at 07:18 AM
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Scott Grant wrote:
You'd better keep your exposures short with the d800 as amp glow is an issue at 3200 and higher. I'm not sure how the 600 fares in comparison.


Amp glow? I have shot 30 minute long exposures in over 105 degree weather in the desert at ISO 3200 and not seen any amp glow. I have routinely shot 20 minute long exposures with the D800 again in ambient temperatures over 100 degrees. That sensor in it rocks and does an incredible job in low light.

Oh, and that was without the in camera black screen with Long Exposure Noise reduction, that is just a straight 20 to 30 minute long exposure.

Please be careful about spreading misinformation about the D800.

Jim



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JimFox wrote:
Amp glow? I have shot 30 minute long exposures in over 105 degree weather in the desert at ISO 3200 and not seen any amp glow. I have routinely shot 20 minute long exposures with the D800 again in ambient temperatures over 100 degrees. That sensor in it rocks and does an incredible job in low light.

Oh, and that was without the in camera black screen with Long Exposure Noise reduction, that is just a straight 20 to 30 minute long exposure.

Please be careful about spreading misinformation about the D800.

Jim


+1

Say no to misinformation...



Dec 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


Looks like amp glow to me.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8352/8303932364_b7b9ac670e_o.jpg

Google D800 amp glow. I'm not the only one stating this.



Dec 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM
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Scott Grant wrote:
Looks like amp glow to me.

Google D800 amp glow. I'm not the only one stating this.


Take note gentlemen. We have the birth of a 'rumor' in its early stages. With careful planning and nurturing, it can easily turn into a system wide Nikon issue. It really is a magnificent feat.



Dec 24, 2012 at 03:06 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


Scott -

I was just reading somewhere that some copies of the Nikon 16-35 produce an odd streak like the one in your photo at longer exposures (something to do with AF / VR or light leakage or something - can't really recall). Thought I read it here in fact (although a quick google search turned up some info at dpreview). Just wondering if maybe that was the issue in your photo.



Dec 24, 2012 at 04:01 PM
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jhinkey wrote:
Sometimes the noise is the red channel is ever so slightly higher towards the bottom of the frame, but in general it's very even.

John


I thought noise was uniform across any sensor?



Dec 24, 2012 at 05:50 PM
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BenV wrote:
Take note gentlemen. We have the birth of a 'rumor' in its early stages. With careful planning and nurturing, it can easily turn into a system wide Nikon issue. It really is a magnificent feat.


What can i say Ben? I've been shooting long exposure with D70s, D200, D300, multiple D700s and now a D800. I shot the D800 for a week in the dark and was disappointed with what i saw and ended up going back to my D700 bodies for long exposures at high ISO.



Dec 24, 2012 at 05:57 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · D 800 or d600 for Nothern light photography?


I'm no fan of DPreview but there is a thread on the subject.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/41368149

The first image in the thread shows what seems to be the 'noise' jhinkey spoke of in his post at the bottom of the frame. Again, looks like amp glow to me.



Dec 24, 2012 at 06:01 PM
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Steve Perry wrote:
Scott -

I was just reading somewhere that some copies of the Nikon 16-35 produce an odd streak like the one in your photo at longer exposures (something to do with AF / VR or light leakage or something - can't really recall). Thought I read it here in fact (although a quick google search turned up some info at dpreview). Just wondering if maybe that was the issue in your photo.



Steve, it was me who posted that thread after i noticed a strange red streak in my long exposure and high ISO images. You can clearly see it in the image i've posted above in the upper left. It seems it is only rearing it's ugly head in about 5-10% of the 16-35's out there. Unfortunately mine is one of them.

Again gents, i'm not trying to start a shit storm. I'm just a guy who makes a living with my cameras. And i call it as i see it.



Dec 24, 2012 at 06:05 PM
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Scott Grant wrote:
Steve, it was me who posted that thread after i noticed a strange red streak in my long exposure and high ISO images. You can clearly see it in the image i've posted above in the upper left. It seems it is only rearing it's ugly head in about 5-10% of the 16-35's out there. Unfortunately mine is one of them.

Again gents, i'm not trying to start a shit storm. I'm just a guy who makes a living with my cameras. And i call it as i see it.


Scott,

I don't see that in my shots, and it appears to be more of a 16-35mm problem then D800. The D700 is a really great camera for shooting night shots, but my D800 beats it hands down.

Jim



Dec 24, 2012 at 06:30 PM
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JimFox wrote:
Scott,

I don't see that in my shots, and it appears to be more of a 16-35mm problem then D800. The D700 is a really great camera for shooting night shots, but my D800 beats it hands down.

Jim


Strange thing Jim. I just don't see the same results that you are seeing with your gear.

Maybe it is a '16-35mm paired with D800 issue'?

Here is an image shot with the D700 and 16-35mm from early in the summer. besides the high ISO/long exposure noise it's pretty clean and free of amp noise, in comparison to my D800.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7079/7296017212_472e0ef19e_o.jpg

I'll try a few dark frames with the 24mm PC-E and see what happens.





Dec 24, 2012 at 07:09 PM
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