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mabidally
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


Why don't canon make an IS version in this? After all it is one of the most handheld ranges.


Dec 19, 2012 at 06:52 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


Good question. And I haven't heard a real definitive reason, though I've heard speculation, including:

- the already-astronomical cost of the non-IS version would surely be considerably higher if it were equipped with IS.
- there could be some design/IQ issue with modifying this lens for IS.

Who knows?

Dan



Dec 19, 2012 at 07:31 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


Yea if Canon added it to their 24-70 II the price would have to be insane.



Dec 19, 2012 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


is there any reason aside from greed to not use IBIS in every canon body?


Dec 19, 2012 at 08:12 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


may be because Canon thinks we don't need it? I used to think IS is a must but now I'm not so sure. A couple times I forgot to turn IS back on on my 24-105mm and shot without IS for days without realizing. I couldn't tell the difference at all for anything faster than 1/30 sec anyways and I try to never shoot slower than 1/60 without a tripod. Luckily with the insanely high ISO of the 5D3, I haven't had to yet. . I just ordered a 24-70 II because I'm comfortable I don't need IS.


Dec 19, 2012 at 08:12 PM
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goosemang wrote:
is there any reason aside from greed to not use IBIS in every canon body?


I don't think that greed has anything to do with it.



Dec 19, 2012 at 08:27 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


Will Patterson wrote:
Yea if Canon added it to their 24-70 II the price would have to be insane.


In reality, I think IS does not add that much more cost to a lens as we have IS in relatively cheap lens. I believe Canon charges more for IS...just because they can and people buy them up.

I believe Canon will release an IS version as soon as they flood the market with this latest generation just to maximize their sales revenue potential for this very popular lens.



Dec 19, 2012 at 08:54 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
I don't think that greed has anything to do with it.


What does it have to do with then. I truly believe it is a product decision not to include IBIS.



Dec 19, 2012 at 08:56 PM
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The inclusion of IS in this lens would probably make it prohibitively wide. You can check out Roger's outstanding tear-down on the LensRental blog, to see how the lens has been redesigned from the ground up.

Since Canon was the pioneer in developing lens IS, and the fact they have just introduced a smaller aperture model of the same focal range, I think we can be assured that the concept was considered by its engineers and designers and excluded for practical reasons and there won't be a new model with "add-on" IS once the current model satisfies sales goals.

I own a Contax N 24-85 lens, and that thing is a monster -- nearly as wide (also 82mm filter) as it is long, and that is a "simple" design with AF added. I wouldn't want an L IS lens that matched that form factor.

Both Canon and Nikon examined the idea of IBIS early on. I don't recall the specifics, but both had reasons not to go that direction, and I don't think greed played a big part in the decision. Regardless, I doubt the complex new Hybrid IS would be possible at the sensor, not so accurately. Maybe someone can fill us in better on the historical reasoning for in-lens IS vs. IBIS.



Dec 19, 2012 at 09:18 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


I suspect the reason for the IS in the new 24-70/4 is VIDEO, not still pictures.


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


I think the 24-70 f/4 IS is the reason the 24-80 f/2.8 doesn't have IS. Why sell one lens when you can sell two?


Dec 19, 2012 at 09:50 PM
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jcolwell wrote:
I don't think that greed has anything to do with it.


I wouldn't classify a company's attempt to maximize profits as "greed", but I do believe the reason Canikon bodies don't have IBIS is so that they can sell more IS lenses and at a premium over their non-IS predecessors.



Dec 19, 2012 at 09:52 PM
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Same. Old. Marketing. Tricks. First come out with the new 24-70 mark II. Sit on it for a while and charge way too much for it. Come out with not nearly as useful 2.8 IS primes to keep the chatter about the new 24-70 having no IS. Hold out for as long as possible or until the competition comes out with something better (and then wait longer). Okay, price has settled to $1600 for the 24-70. Now come out with 24-70 2.8 IS for $2500.


Dec 19, 2012 at 11:16 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


All the videographers I know won't buy over a 2.8 lens. They're all prime or 2.8 zooms and desperately want a 24-70 2.8 IS. Oh wait, that's the new Tamron I see popping up now and then.

DavidP wrote:
I suspect the reason for the IS in the new 24-70/4 is VIDEO, not still pictures.




Dec 19, 2012 at 11:18 PM
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cineski wrote:
All the videographers I know won't buy over a 2.8 lens. They're all prime or 2.8 zooms and desperately want a 24-70 2.8 IS. Oh wait, that's the new Tamron I see popping up now and then.



The Tamron should be fine for standard HD video. You don't need such IQ for that video resolution.

EBH



Dec 20, 2012 at 01:31 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


EB-1 wrote:
The Tamron should be fine for standard HD video. You don't need such IQ for that video resolution.

EBH


No, you don't need the resolution but what is often overlooked is 'image qualities'; the characteristics a lens offers.



Dec 20, 2012 at 02:05 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


And here it is...

http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/12/ef-24-70-f2-8l-is-exists-as-a-working-prototype-cr2/



Dec 20, 2012 at 02:42 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


Perhaps your right, it is a technical limitation. However Tamaron have come out with a Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC.



Gunzorro wrote:
The inclusion of IS in this lens would probably make it prohibitively wide. You can check out Roger's outstanding tear-down on the LensRental blog, to see how the lens has been redesigned from the ground up.

Since Canon was the pioneer in developing lens IS, and the fact they have just introduced a smaller aperture model of the same focal range, I think we can be assured that the concept was considered by its engineers and designers and excluded for practical reasons and there won't be a new model with "add-on" IS once the current model satisfies sales goals.

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Dec 20, 2012 at 05:58 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


They maximized the optics and decided that adding IS would compromise absolute performance. I am happy they made a no compromise optic.

Look at the Tamron 17-50. The VC version is not at sharp.



Dec 20, 2012 at 06:44 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 24-70mm f2.8 IS


Take a look at snapsy's link. Rumours has it that Canon will be releasing an IS version in 18 months.

With the price drop I was just getting ready to buy the non-IS version, but now I don't know if I should wait. I would love the IS. What to do what to do....



Dec 20, 2012 at 01:28 PM
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