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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Ok so here is my gear for birding

D800
D700/Grip'd (9 fps!)

300mm AFS 2.8
70-200mm VRII

TC 1.4x
TC 2x III

I was thinking the D800 with the 300mm, 2x on a tripod/gimbal and the D700/70-200mm/1.4x hand held for the closer shots.

What do you think? And is the 1.2x crop mode on the D800 the same as croping it after the shot? (sorry for being so noob-ish I have just been shooting for years but this is my first venture into long lenses!)






Dec 10, 2012 at 02:00 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


use the 300, ditch the other lense. needing a wider shot of a bird, unless it's a turkey 10 feet away from you isn't likely.

also, think of a teleconverter as a shake amplifier, so use with caution.



Dec 10, 2012 at 02:06 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Defy wrote:
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What do you think? And is the 1.2x crop mode on the D800 the same as croping it after the shot? (sorry for being so noob-ish I have just been shooting for years but this is my first venture into long lenses!)





It's the same as cropping afterwards. The gain is you'll get 5fps and smaller files (24Mpx).
With 1.5x crop and grip (with AA's or D4 battery) you'll get 6fps and even smaller files (ca. 15Mpx).

As Zebrabot said; birding with a 70-200 on a D700 won't bring you much. On a 12Mpx file there's not much room for cropping.
But ditching the 70-200VRII is a bit exaggerated.



Dec 10, 2012 at 08:11 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


as Trench's images show, you can do fine with 300 and D800. I dropped my d300 in favor for D800. AF is better and you have the crop modes as discussed. This is 300 afs f.4 wtih 1.7 TC in DX crop


5 fps was enough fo rme to get a nice sequence



Dec 10, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


^^^ Agree with jbailey...I went from D300 to 1DMK IV to D800. I use longer glass than the 300, but body/sensor wise the D800 has been working very well for me for birds.

But keep in mind that the rumored D300S replacement is probably no more than 6 months away, at most, which is expected to have higher resolution than the D800 (which is equivalent to roughly 15MP in DX mode).

Definitely go for the 300mm, but don't expect to be able to use the 2.0x TC on it and get very good results if cropping heavily.



Dec 10, 2012 at 05:30 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


I guess I confused everyone I want to take both into the field I have both bodies and lenses. I was looking more for the combo setup.

I just don't want to hand hold the 300mm. So what i am reading is go with the D800/300mm and the 1.4mm on the tripod and keep my D700/gripd with the 70-200mm and no TC on a rapid strap for the closer action.

I havn't tried the 2xIII on the 300 yet so I'll try it out. I got pretty good sucess with the 2xIII on my 70-200mm in the yard.

If I really get into it i'll pick up a 500/600 next year but my wife doesn't see the point. At least with the 300 i can use it for portaits (I don't but i could i have a 105 DC that I love)....



Dec 10, 2012 at 06:16 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Ahhh, well I really like the 70-200 VR II/TC-17E II on the D800 for a light BIF walk-around.
I don't miss many shots, can tell ya 5 fps is MORE than enough...if ya know what yer doin'
(in 1.2X mode it's a 408mm f4.8 VR, when you need it) Both handheld & SOOC



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please excuse the blue sky...just a test shot




Dec 10, 2012 at 06:29 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


I'd be leaving the d700 home also.

Stay off the tripod unless lack of light dictates it as it will only slow you down. The 300mm is a joke to handhold all day. And that 2x converter isn't going to be your friend! I'd recommend the 1.4 which works great on the 300mm. The 1.7 works OK in good light and at shorter distances. It's a great combo to shoot bird portraits if you can get close enough.



Dec 10, 2012 at 11:52 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Yah well after seen trench's stuff it makes me want to get a 300mm f/4 and grab the pistol grip off my AR-15 and run thru the woods!

Ok so swap the 2xIII for the 1.7x TC and use that on the 70-200mm (then maybe I won't have to buy the 300 f/4 too) oye i have issues

@ Scott the 300mm a joke to hold? Do you mean it's too heavy?

Lastly you never know when you will need wide..... here is an old shot I got when i was at some training in FL. We had this lady that would feed the birds and they would almost attack you! I am looking for the orginal to get a better res but it's neat.







Dec 11, 2012 at 02:47 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Defy wrote:
Ok so here is my gear for birding

D800
D700/Grip'd (9 fps!)

300mm AFS 2.8
70-200mm VRII

TC 1.4x
TC 2x III

I was thinking the D800 with the 300mm, 2x on a tripod/gimbal and the D700/70-200mm/1.4x hand held for the closer shots.

What do you think? And is the 1.2x crop mode on the D800 the same as croping it after the shot? (sorry for being so noob-ish I have just been shooting for years but this is my first venture into long lenses!)






I use a D800 with a 70-200mm with all the Nikon TC's (1.4x, 1.7x, 2.X III) and they work fine with that lens. Of course, there is some degradation in IQ when you use a teleconverter. I have a friend who shoot with a 300mm VR and the newest Nikon TC2.X III and she is happy with the results. I also use a Nikon 600mm VR and with the new D800, I have been able to keep AF with the 1.4x and the 1.7x.

FP



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Defy wrote:
Yah well after seen trench's stuff it makes me want to get a 300mm f/4 and grab the pistol grip off my AR-15 and run thru the woods!

Ok so swap the 2xIII for the 1.7x TC and use that on the 70-200mm (then maybe I won't have to buy the 300 f/4 too) oye i have issues

@ Scott the 300mm a joke to hold? Do you mean it's too heavy?

Lastly you never know when you will need wide..... here is an old shot I got when i was at some training in FL. We had this
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My apologies! For some reason I was thinking you had a 300mmf4 AF-S. I have no experience with that lens and 2X converter so please disregard what I said as the converter may work fine. That was all my reasoning for saying the lens was easy to handhold. The 300 2.8 is obviously heavier! However depending on your physical condition the 2.8 still shouldn't be too bad to handhold. I'm not a big guy and can handhold my 500 VR a fair bit. I believe the 500 is about 3.5 lbs heavier.



Dec 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM
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Scott Grant wrote:
My apologies! For some reason I was thinking you had a 300mmf4 AF-S. I have no experience with that lens and 2X converter so please disregard what I said as the converter may work fine. That was all my reasoning for saying the lens was easy to handhold. The 300 2.8 is obviously heavier! However depending on your physical condition the 2.8 still shouldn't be too bad to handhold. I'm not a big guy and can handhold my 500 VR a fair bit. I believe the 500 is about 3.5 lbs heavier.



Ahh gotcha now I understand. Yeah a 300 f/4 with the 2x making it f/8 would be pretty hard to use unless i got great light! And my full time job ensures my physical condition is in check uncle sam wouldn't have it anyother way.



Dec 11, 2012 at 02:45 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


...that and 600 handheld's a bitch w/o VR


Dec 11, 2012 at 02:48 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


why stop at two bodies?

I'd bring the 300mm f/2.8, a bag of teleconverters two more d700s a spare f5, a 24mm and 28mm, a tripod, another tripod, my computer, a film changing bag, an ATV to haul all that and then a pickup with trailer to move that around.

Don't forget the cap keepers either.




Dec 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


trenchmonkey wrote:
...that and 600 handheld's a bitch w/o VR


Indeed Will...I wouldn't even consider the current Nikon 600VR...too heavy. I'm hoping the rumors of Nikon redesigning it's 800VR to include VRIII are true, but more importantly Nikon gets serious about reducing the weight by jettisoning the front protective element like Canon has. In fact it's time Nikon refreshed it's entire long lens lineup.



Dec 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Zebrabot wrote:
why stop at two bodies?




Well now that you say that.... i do have an old D100 sitting around I think i'll throw my 300 on that so i can take full advantage of the crop factor and put my 16mm fisheye on the D800 and take pictures of everything and just crop what i need

Na but an update to the long lenses would be nice it would make the current ones a little cheaper!




Dec 11, 2012 at 05:29 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


I would avoid using any cropping mode with an FX camera. While you can gain a little in the frame rate and save some in the file size, it is all too easy to lose some important subject detail because the bird stretches its wings a different way or a nice reflection in the water is cut off. Better to frame loose and crop later to avoid such problems.

You'll probably soon get used to using the 300 + 2x TC hand-held for photographing fast-moving birds that can approach you from any direction. The gimbal head is great for heavy gear and for longer durations, and for subjects that are primarily in one direction so that you don't need to pan too much vertically or horizontally, but otherwise you may find yourself trying to walk around your tripod while you pan - without hitting it. Hand-held is easy because your body is the pivot point but the weight can get at you sooner or later. Also, with the gimbal head it is easy to let go of that camera/lens to take a shot with another - without anything falling to the ground.

Alan



Dec 12, 2012 at 03:44 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Defy wrote:
Well now that you say that.... i do have an old D100 sitting around I think i'll throw my 300 on that so i can take full advantage of the crop factor and put my 16mm fisheye on the D800 and take pictures of everything and just crop what i need

Na but an update to the long lenses would be nice it would make the current ones a little cheaper!



Ha!

fisheye on a d800 and just cropping what you want. this is a great.




Dec 12, 2012 at 06:27 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · New to Birding: D800/D700 Questions


Here is some samples of D800 with 300/2.8 VR1 and TC20E3, mount on tripod with Sidekick. The focus speed and PQ should be acceptable and okay for me


Crop 50% from DX mode
ISO800
F7.1
1/250


Crop 30% from DX mode
ISO800
F7.1
1/200


Crop 30% from DX mode
ISO800
F7.1
1/640




Dec 15, 2012 at 03:52 PM





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