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Thanks guys, Peter, such wisdom from a real pro, you are awesome. And peter B, great idea. That's the reason I went for the 20 inch softbox instead of a 24, because i figured one a tad smaller would allow for me to narrow the light on the faces some. I love your idea and I will give it a try. I also have a 33 inch octo, the umbrella kind so the flash head is already inside it and pointing inward, and i was thinking that's almost like a dish in that the flash head is kind of a substitute for the reflector inside a dish. instead of reflecting a light, the reflector is the light source, my flash head. I was thinking it would be cool to just make a round insert type thing with a square hole for the flash head to sit it. i am thinking this might be a cool way to make a cheap beauty dish these companies culd make and sell. You could just make a 22 inch umbrelly type softbox and make it white inside, and a round silver reflector that your flash head goes in to inside the umbrella, and then have no diffuser matering to go on, and it should be like a dish. It wouldn't be a parabolic shape, but it would still make for a simple umbrella/softbox type beauty dish.