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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Samyang 50mm ?


They don't do one do they?

Wondering a little why they haven't released one yet seeing as they have already have 24/28/35/85.. Would be an incredibly attractive option if they could release a solid unit (as opposed to the toy Canon units other than the the 50L)..

I'd buy one..



Dec 04, 2012 at 01:50 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Samyang 50mm ?


Maybe they could pull off a 50/1.0; they seem to be doing pretty well with large aperture lens design, and that would really set them apart from the competition. I don't think yet another manual focus 50/1.4 would stand out (compared to scads of cheap, well-built manual focus 50s and Sigma's good AF 50) unless it had an awful lot of special sauce in aberration correction (and still likely not as exciting as a barely-acceptably-corrected but f1.0 design).


Dec 04, 2012 at 02:06 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Samyang 50mm ?


50 f1 (or f0.95)


Dec 04, 2012 at 06:47 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Samyang 50mm ?


saneproduction wrote:
50 f1 (or f0.95)

Sounds very interesting.



Dec 04, 2012 at 07:32 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Samyang 50mm ?


Don't think F/1.0 or faster will fit through the throat of anything but a Canon mount (if we're talking SLR). Same reason you don't see an 85/1.2 on Nikon.
Unless they want to use GRIN optics or something super intense to maintain the requisite entrance pupil with a smaller rear element.



Dec 04, 2012 at 08:26 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Samyang 50mm ?


The trouble with a 50 mm f/1 is that it wouldn’t work on a Nikon SLR. (And it would be sharp as porridge, probably, but that’s at least debatable!)

Since Nikon users probably account for 30–40 % of third-party SLR lens sales, it’s not an easy decision to make a lens with specifications incompatible with the F-mount.

Edit: beaten by thrice, though I dunno what GRIN optics could do for us, if anything.



Dec 04, 2012 at 08:28 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Samyang 50mm ?


I don't think a Samyang 50/1.0 is likely, it's just one of the few things Samyang could do to make a potentially hot-selling lens in the already crowded fast-fifty market. Samyang's other offerings have succeeded by filling niches where comparable lenses weren't available for anywhere near the price (how many decent 24, 35, or 80/1.4s, or 14/2.8's, are available at even twice Samyang's price?). On the other hand, the 50/1.4 market is saturated with solid performers starting at ~$15. A new lens at 50mm has to be pretty special to succeed; super aperture is one possibility (in line with Samyang's previous propensity for fast lenses).

Nikon incompatibility is a major setback for such a design. On the other hand, the Canon market alone, plus all mirrorless, is not negligible; furthermore, a "trimmed-down" 50/1.2 for Nikon could probably be made with nearly the same parts (and wasn't the famous Nokt-Nikkor an f1.2 lens, so Nikon mount could accomodate that?).

Still, a 50/1.0, or any 50mm lens, seems an unlikely near-term addition to Samyang's portfolio.



Dec 04, 2012 at 08:39 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Samyang 50mm ?


No reason to try to beat Canon; a relatively cheap 50/1,2 would be appealing enough to me.


Dec 04, 2012 at 08:42 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Samyang 50mm ?


mpmendenhall wrote:
Nikon incompatibility is a major setback for such a design. On the other hand, the Canon market alone, plus all mirrorless, is not negligible; furthermore, a "trimmed-down" 50/1.2 for Nikon could probably be made with nearly the same parts (and wasn't the famous Nokt-Nikkor an f1.2 lens, so Nikon mount could accomodate that?).

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/50mmnikkor/index3.htm

An APO 50/1.4 could be interesting, or a Rokkor 58/1.2 clone.



Dec 04, 2012 at 09:45 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Samyang 50mm ?


LightShow wrote:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/50mmnikkor/index3.htm

An APO 50/1.4 could be interesting, or a Rokkor 58/1.2 clone.


yeah, i would definitely like a rokkor 58/1.2 clone with more aperture blades and some modern coatings (that somehow keep minolta color?). i do really like the original rokkor body though and i'm pretty sure replicating either the body or the optics would be prohibitively expensive.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Samyang 50mm ?


I'd love to see a Sony E-mount AF 58/1.2 clone to go with a NEX-9 FF.


Dec 04, 2012 at 11:37 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Samyang 50mm ?


Are we sure a 50mm f/1.0 couldn't be made for Nikon? The Nokt-nikkor was a 58mm f/1.2, which has an absolute aperture size of 48.33mm, or close enough to 50mm that it might be possible. At the very least, a 50mm f/1.1 could be made (45mm aperture). I mean, the same aperture size as the Nokt Nikkor in a 50mm lens is an f/1.03, which I'm sure they could legally market as an f/1.0.

Although I don't know enough about optical design to know when the rear element becomes constricting (I mean, obviously, very large aperture telephotos can be made, with the design dependent on the front element rather than the rear).



Dec 04, 2012 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Samyang 50mm ?


I agree that a decent/affordable 50/1.2 would probably do very well.


Dec 04, 2012 at 01:10 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Samyang 50mm ?


something like a 50mm leica summilux-m clone for mirrorless cameras please!


Dec 04, 2012 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Samyang 50mm ?


I've been waiting on Voigtlander to make a good 50/1.4 M for years now. They have the overrated 50/1.1 M, and the discontinued 50/2 collapsible heliar- but no ~1.4 currently in production.


Dec 04, 2012 at 01:28 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Samyang 50mm ?


sebboh wrote:
yeah, i would definitely like a rokkor 58/1.2 clone with more aperture blades and some modern coatings (that somehow keep minolta color?). i do really like the original rokkor body though and i'm pretty sure replicating either the body or the optics would be prohibitively expensive.


Most likely not possible. Coatings are main reason for colors those Minolta lens have. Samyang has great coatings, but they chosen neutral coloring, which is why their lens dont have "colors". Even tho in reality they have actually more colors than any other, except Coastal Optics probably.

Coatings from Minolta are most likely now in possesion of Sony.



Dec 04, 2012 at 02:16 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Samyang 50mm ?


Jman13 wrote:
Are we sure a 50mm f/1.0 couldn't be made for Nikon?


Someone who knows their thetas from their elbow, like mpmendenhall above, would be better placed to answer this than I, but my understanding is that the mount and minimum back-focus distance (about 38 mm for a Nikon SLR) together impose limitations on the numerical aperture.

Without the back-focus limitation you could certainly make an f/1 lens for the F-mount. You just couldn’t mount it on a Nikon SLR.

Looking at my PC-Nikkor 35mm f/2.8, which might be expected to have as large a rear opening as possible to reduce mechanical vignetting when shifted, and which has no electronic connections at all (and nowhere to put any), I measure a rear opening of about 40.7 mm. If the interior light baffles and blackening were removed, that might reach 41.5 mm at a push (this would leave preciously little room for the mount structure itself, but might just be possible). By my estimation you’d need about 44 mm for an f/1 F-mount Nikkor at infinity focus; but it would be nice if someone who remembers their high-school maths would check that for us!



Dec 04, 2012 at 03:22 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Samyang 50mm ?


LightShow wrote:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/50mmnikkor/index3.htm

... or a Rokkor 58/1.2 clone.


This is what I was thinking. Why do a 50, when 58 is so much nicer?

Not that I would buy one, but I think it would be very cool if they did a clone.




Dec 04, 2012 at 07:42 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Samyang 50mm ?


cogitech wrote:
This is what I was thinking. Why do a 50, when 58 is so much nicer?

Nikom might do that. They've patended a remake of the Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 at least. It has an impressive length of ~109mm -- maybe a design somewhat like the Zeiss Distagon 55/1.4? See: http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2012-11-23



Dec 04, 2012 at 08:19 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Samyang 50mm ?


40/1.4 pancake; 20 aperature blade 50/1.4; or 60/2 1:1 macro for me.


Dec 04, 2012 at 08:20 PM
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