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Paul Gardner
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p.27 #1 · p.27 #1 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


"24MP is the sweet spot for 135 format sensors"

I've been hearing XX is the sweet spot for 15 years or more. Why the negetive?
The D800E proved that is not true. I agree that 24MP is approching good quality and is on the edge for landscapes and is fine for street and family, and to be honest the RX100 on a Monopod produces some very fine landscapes, but if they can put a FF sensors in the RX1, they can put the D800 sensor in it also. Those of us whom hike in the mountains can use the lightest and smallest cameras they can produce. We need to be pushing the manufacturers instead of just accepting their "good enough for this increment"
Big Sur California - RX100
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Feb 05, 2013 at 12:48 PM
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p.27 #2 · p.27 #2 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Do you own a D800?

I do. 36MP of image quality is fine, but the AF is slowish (I had a D3 before), the focusing screen is at best mediocre for manual focus in bright light, and I can miss focus by meters in darker situations, and I am someone who was able to nail the 80 Lux-R wide open on a 5D consistently, which many could not. The live view does line skipping, presumably because the processing load to do a full live view with exposure simulation is just too high, and while I can accurately focus via live view with line skipping, I sure miss those other lines. Many lenses are just not up to it, even lenses which were great on 24MP, and the focusing issues of the D800 compound with the focusing issues of older lenses. I was prepared for this and will maybe only sell one lens, but many were caught off guard.

So, no, I am not being negative, I am calling it as it is. The D800 is a great camera, but if I could have a 24MP D800 tomorrow, I wouldn't even hesitate one second.



Feb 05, 2013 at 01:25 PM
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p.27 #3 · p.27 #3 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Carsten, what's the reason you're not buying a D600 instead of the D800 then?


Feb 05, 2013 at 01:31 PM
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p.27 #4 · p.27 #4 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


It is just less of a camera, sadly. I don't keep the reasons at my fingertips, but if you are interested I can go look it up and figure it out again. The size is one small part of it, I just like the size of the D800, but it is not the most important part. Sensor sharpness and dynamic range are also reasons, although the latter is just a small difference. Less accurate AF is another issue, IIRC.

The D600 is a nice camera, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it, but it isn't a smaller D800, more like a large D7000.



Feb 05, 2013 at 03:55 PM
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p.27 #5 · p.27 #5 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


carstenw wrote:
Do you own a D800?

I do. 36MP of image quality is fine, but the AF is slowish (I had a D3 before), the focusing screen is at best mediocre for manual focus in bright light, and I can miss focus by meters in darker situations, and I am someone who was able to nail the 80 Lux-R wide open on a 5D consistently, which many could not. The live view does line skipping, presumably because the processing load to do a full live view with exposure simulation is just too high, and while I can accurately focus via live view
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carsten none of those reasons really have anything to do 24mp versus 36mp. your're just saying you'd like the D800 to be a better camera not a better imager. i don't get why you would jump at 24mp D800? it would still have all those flaws except it wouldn't show off your lenses weaknesses quite as much. you should just set lightroom (or whatever you use) to zoom in to 66% instead of 100% when you click magnify and it will be like you have the 18mp camera you really wanted (won't help ergonomics any though).

i'm not unhappy with 24mp if it means better low light performance (not sure it actually does at like sizes) since i'd use the camera more in lowlight than for landscapes. i suspect 24mp might have been chosen for the rx-1 to reduce corner smearing and color shift issues that have plagued the NEX-7, or there is always the theory of the exclusiveness deal with nikon for some length of time with the 36mp sensor.



Feb 05, 2013 at 05:55 PM
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p.27 #6 · p.27 #6 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


I looked at the specs on the RX1 and didn't see enough difference from the RX100 to justify the price spread, BUT if they had put the 36MP in it I would have gone even another $1000.00 over the $2800.00. While still not pocketable The RX1 is small enough to sit comfortably on top of a monopod converted to a hiking stick replacing the G1X I used before the RX100 that sits there now. 35mm is not my favorite FL, but I can always shoot panos to get wider. I did carry my D800E on a tripod, but too much effort in the mountains. Its still used at the seashore though.
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Feb 05, 2013 at 06:20 PM
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p.27 #7 · p.27 #7 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Are you serious?


Feb 05, 2013 at 06:46 PM
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p.27 #8 · p.27 #8 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


sebboh wrote:
carsten none of those reasons really have anything to do 24mp versus 36mp. your're just saying you'd like the D800 to be a better camera not a better imager. i don't get why you would jump at 24mp D800? it would still have all those flaws except it wouldn't show off your lenses weaknesses quite as much. you should just set lightroom (or whatever you use) to zoom in to 66% instead of 100% when you click magnify and it will be like you have the 18mp camera you really wanted (won't help ergonomics any though).

i'm not unhappy with
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Erm?

I think all or at least most of these would be fixed with a 24MP D800, as long as they actually tune the camera for the 24MP sensor, and don't just rip out one and shove in the other. The resolution is lower which presumably makes the optical viewfinder sufficient for accurate manual focus, like the D600 or D3x, except in mentioned dark situations. AF could be as fast as the D3x or probably faster. In fact the D800 initially focuses quite fast, but then kicks into a refinement stage, probably due to the high resolution, and "refines" for another short time. The line skipping could be removed, there is no 21MP or 24MP which needs that, including the D3x, and most decent lenses are good enough with the D3x.



Feb 05, 2013 at 07:37 PM
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p.27 #9 · p.27 #9 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Guys, can you pls. take this discussion to this RX1 discussion thread:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1147292

This is the RX1 image thread and I don't want to pollute this thread of images with general camera talk and what you think the RX1 should have been.

Thanks for understanding!



Feb 05, 2013 at 08:03 PM
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p.27 #10 · p.27 #10 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


OK Wayne, I really didn't expect this to take off like this.
Regards
Paul



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p.27 #11 · p.27 #11 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Charles and Jochen, thank you!

Very nice Makten! Hope Stockholm will look like that when we go there in a couple of weeks, but I suspect not.
Charles, I really like the mushrooms and bird in its nest!

I discovered that we do have some "interesting" buildings in Trondheim - not just cozy wooden houses. I think I'll have to start looking upwards more often. It looks strangely curved. I used the lens detection auto correction feature in Lightroom but that only made things worse. Maybe the building really is curved.


Gunnerus library by Helena Normark, on Flickr



Feb 05, 2013 at 08:15 PM
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p.27 #12 · p.27 #12 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Thanks h00ligan, Jochen and Helena Jochen, you are right! The bird was not amused, as I was only about 10cm away in Macro mode.
Martin, nice evening capture!
Helena, really nice shot

Shot of a Spanish guitarist from last night








Feb 06, 2013 at 10:43 AM
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p.27 #13 · p.27 #13 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Helena, love the colors/contrast!
Charles, that's a lovely portrait.

A few from a quick visit to our german war cemetery:










Feb 06, 2013 at 11:30 PM
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p.27 #14 · p.27 #14 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


thanks for all the great images on this thread
a good camera for quick snaps







lomo camera







Nex 7 + Voigt 50 1.1







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Feb 07, 2013 at 12:42 AM
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p.27 #15 · p.27 #15 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Steve Huff makes the point that the RX1 is a great B&W camera, and thanks to Charles and Jochen for these fine images above.


Feb 07, 2013 at 03:32 AM
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p.27 #16 · p.27 #16 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Jochen and Philip, thank you
Jochen, wow...wonderful set of B&W images!!

From the Alegria restaurant, a shot of my partner, while we were listening to the Spanish guitarist The biggest learning curve with the RX1 is now finding how to make sure the point of intended focus is nailed. A number of shots with the Spanish guitarist had the focus slightly forward, and did not catch the eyes.







Feb 07, 2013 at 07:26 AM
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p.27 #17 · p.27 #17 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Charles, excellent B&W capture of the Spanish guitar player! A nice sharpness and clarity.
Nice shots of your wife too.
Helena, like your wintry landscapes, the barn and personimage is my favorite of that set.
Joan, nice colors in that set!
Jochen, great B&W images in that set! 2nd shot is my favorite. Like the composition of the first shot too.



Feb 08, 2013 at 12:20 PM
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p.27 #18 · p.27 #18 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


One close up shot:





Feb 08, 2013 at 01:29 PM
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p.27 #19 · p.27 #19 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


^Nice!


Feb 08, 2013 at 01:34 PM
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p.27 #20 · p.27 #20 · RX1(R/R2) Image Thread


Thanks Charles, Jochen and Wayne!

Charles, the "Spanish guitarist" is really nice and the portrait of your wife too.
Great set Jochen with a nice mood and tones! I especially like #2 and 4.

Some more winter photos. This is my favourite time of year for photography, so I try and go for a walk almost every day. In summer there can be weeks when I don't take a single shot...


Round pine tree by Helena Normark, on Flickr



Street lamp posts by Helena Normark, on Flickr



Old barn by Helena Normark, on Flickr



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