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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...



Am I going to notice a significant advantage with the 24 for landscape scenes over the 28? It's been bugging me before making the purchase. I have a tripped planned in Arizona where I will be going to the grand canyon and antelope canyon and I just feel the 24 1.4 is hard to justify when I know I won't go past F2.8 if ever at all.

Am I going to notice sharpness differences say at F4 or F8 between the two that will justify the price gap. I'll be using a D800 for all of it if that helps.



Nov 24, 2012 at 06:17 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


I have both lenses and I can say that for landscape 28/1.8 is a better option. From f4 it is sharp corner to corner while 24/1.4 has always weaker corners.

28/1.8 is a general purpose lens... 24/1.4 is intended more for low light use. It can perform OK for landscape but this is not the best use.

Having said that 24/1.4 is my favorite lens. Period.



Nov 24, 2012 at 06:56 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


Well I just know that besides doing landscapes and the odd people photo it won't get a lot of usage. IT's great to get some opinions that it's good for landscapes. I know I'll lose out on 4mm but I really can't see that being huge when it likely equates to a few feet back.

I also found the price point to be really attractive.



Nov 24, 2012 at 07:11 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


have u considered the 16-35 f4 nikon?


Nov 25, 2012 at 12:18 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


Sounds like you already picked the 28 if you don't need the speed.

the 28mm is much much smaller too, if luggign stuff aroudn is an issue.



Nov 25, 2012 at 12:26 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


equestrianguy wrote:
I know I'll lose out on 4mm but I really can't see that being huge when it likely equates to a few feet back.
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With landscapes you typically can't cover the 4mm just by moving back a few feet. Depending on how and what you shoot, 28mm may or may not be wide enough. It might not be a bad idea to take the f4 zoom instead, as it will give you much more flexibility in focal lengths and you will likely not miss the faster apertures if landscape is going to be the main use.



Nov 25, 2012 at 12:38 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


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Nov 25, 2012 at 01:31 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


curious80 wrote:
With landscapes you typically can't cover the 4mm just by moving back a few feet. Depending on how and what you shoot, 28mm may or may not be wide enough. It might not be a bad idea to take the f4 zoom instead, as it will give you much more flexibility in focal lengths and you will likely not miss the faster apertures if landscape is going to be the main use.


I agree with the zoom idea- the 28 is a great lens (I have it and the 24), but when I go to Antelope, it's 24-70 all the way (14-24 on my other body). One FL in that canyon would be limiting. That, and for the GC I'd be worried if 28 was enough - especially if you were trying to grab a lot of cool sky or something.



Nov 25, 2012 at 03:20 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


I really am not a fan of the 24-70. Not sure what it is I just can't like that lens. I did consider the 16-35 but my only concern is that I'd honestly only ever use it for landscapes due to it's speed.

I am bringing multiple primes with me for my hiking session, primarily the 28, 50, 85 and 180. I figure I'd be decently covered although I won't deny it I keep wondering if 28 is wide enough. The price point is just so attractive and seeing that it's sharpness corner to corner seems pretty stellar at F4 it's hard not to.

I'm so torn at the moment.



Nov 25, 2012 at 06:36 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


equestrianguy wrote:
... I won't deny it I keep wondering if 28 is wide enough....


That really is the main question.

Maybe you can grab a Tokina 17mm 3.5 to accompany the 28mm (you will have to find it used). It is fairly inexpensive (around $200-300) and is a pretty good lens. That way you will be covered if you find the 28mm to be not wide enough.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


Why not pick up a 24mm f/2.8D? It's small, lightweight and cheap. Use the 28mm f/1.8G (which I love) but if you find you need something a bit wider you've got the 24mm stashed in a pocket.


Nov 25, 2012 at 09:42 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


The differences in focal length, weight and price are MUCH, MUCH greater than the trivial differences in sharpness between the two. Comparing sharpness of two primes like this stopped down is useful only to those that print VERY big, or those which are more interested in the hobby of pixel peeping than the art of photography. In real-world prints, NOBODY could tell the difference between prints taken with these two lenses. Only your wallet and your back can really tell...

That being said, 28 wouldn't be wide enough for me in those places, nor would 24 really... The 16-35f4VR would be a better choice in my opinion. I would also want a longer focal length for the more intimate landscapes and points across the canyons. In places such as canyons, you rarely have the option to zoom with your feet, in either direction. This is why zooms are a better choice for a lot of landscape photography. Add the new 70-200f4 to the 16-35f4VR and you would have a perfect setup for such a trip.



Nov 25, 2012 at 01:23 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


I'd want wider, I used the 14-24 when I was there, worked a treat. Consider a zeiss 21, 18mm too. The 21 is like..wow



Nov 25, 2012 at 03:25 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


I would personally pick the 24... but only because it's a 24mm (wider is better for me).
I have the 24 and it's "cut your eyeballs" sharp by f/4, whereas that's only wide open on my 16-35. As for this particular trip, I agree with others that the 16-35/4 is the most flexible and most useful option.



Nov 25, 2012 at 08:22 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


the 24 is an amazing lens, the best wide angle prime on the market and its tack sharp from edge to edge at f2.8 and above.

24mm focal points on the 14-24, 16-35 and 24-70 dont even come close to the quality you get from this lens.



Nov 27, 2012 at 08:06 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


If manual focus is OK you could buy the Nikon 28mm and the Samyang 24mm for a smaller outlay than the Nikon 24mm. The Samyang gives the Nikon 24mm a run for its money.

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Nov 27, 2012 at 09:01 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


Alistair1 wrote:
If manual focus is OK you could buy the Nikon 28mm and the Samyang 24mm for a smaller outlay than the Nikon 24mm. The Samyang actually marginally outperforms the Nikon 24mm.


I cant really see the point in having a 24 and a 28, they are too close together.

In what areas do you think the Samyong outperforms the Nikon?



Nov 27, 2012 at 09:18 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


colincarter46 wrote:
I cant really see the point in having a 24 and a 28, they are too close together.

In what areas do you think the Samyong outperforms the Nikon?


I was editing my response as you were writing yours! I think that "outperforms" somewhat overstates the postion and have edited my post accordingly. But my observations are that the Samyang 24mm and 35mm lenses do not give anything away to their OEM competitors (both Canon and Nikon versions). I do not have any quantitive comparative analysis for the 24mm but if you look at the Nikon 35mm vs the Samyang 35mm on Photozone you will see what I mean. Add to that the price difference you would really need AF to be able to justify the Nikon version.



Nov 27, 2012 at 09:33 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


Alistair1 wrote:
I was editing my response as you were writing yours! I think that "outperforms" somewhat overstates the postion and have edited my post accordingly. But my observations are that the Samyang 24mm and 35mm lenses do not give anything away to their OEM competitors (both Canon and Nikon versions). I do not have any quantitive comparative analysis for the 24mm but if you look at the Nikon 35mm vs the Samyang 35mm on Photozone you will see what I mean. Add to that the price difference you would really need AF to be able to justify the Nikon version.



the Nikkor's are certainly expensive but i love my 24. Ive had the 24-70, 16-35, 24-120 and 14-24 and nothing comes close for edge to edge sharpness as the 24 f1.4. Ive not tried the Samyang so i cant comment.

I also have the 35 and 85 f1.4 Nikon's and they are equally superb. I sold all my zooms apart from the 70-200 F2.8VRII.

I would like a 50mm and keep looking at the Sigma 50 F1.4.



Nov 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Nikon 24 1.4 vs 28 1.8 for landscapes...


The difference in 24mm to 28mm is significant in my opinion, and I would not want to be with just a 28 as my widest option. For landscapes, any differences outside of pixel peeping or really big enlargements,or if the pictures were shot handheld in anything other than bright sunlight, would be marginal. I've had primes and zooms that overlap at 24 and 28, and once I get to f8, handheld without super high shutter speeds, sharpness differences for most part go away.

One thing I've also noticed is that some people confuse field curvature, with OOF areas, as soft. A good way to test is to use liveview and get something in the corner of the picture in focus, take a picture, and look at it. You'll be surprised as to how many lenses are adequate, or better, when things are in focus at the edges. If you think about it, pointing a wide angle lens horizontally in a landscape, chances are objects at the edges of your frame are much closer than the object in the middle of your frame.

Lastly, focal length selection is not just about angle of coverage. Perspective also changes with distance to the subject, and stepping back with a 28 to get a 24 angle of view will change the perspective of the photo; whether or not it matters is a different consideration.

I suggest getting a 24mm, and if you're not sure if you'll like that focal length, get the 24 f2.8AFD, shoot it stopped down, and you won't be out much $$$ if you decide you don't like it. And lastly, for a lot of people, 28mm is a perfectly fine wide angle focal length.

Hope this helps, enjoy your trip.



Nov 27, 2012 at 01:12 PM
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