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p.6 #1 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Why didn't they just put I.S. on the new 24-70 f/2.8L II lens?


Nov 05, 2012 at 10:13 PM
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p.6 #2 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Ralph Conway wrote:
+100

And in fact f4.0 for me would do it with todays cameras offering usable ISO 12-24k instead of 3600.

Ralph


Yes, unless you want the one-stop advantage that f/2.8 provides for DOF and AF.



Nov 05, 2012 at 10:17 PM
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p.6 #3 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Aren't you guys tired of changing lenses? (I'm not being ironic and i'm referring to the fact that when you travel / work with many lenses you have to keep changing them back & forth from the body).

When you're coming back from a vacation or holiday or whatever, it's not like you're gonna need 20mp files sharp & crisp for the pixel peepers..... No,you're gonna come back with some nice pictures which you are gonna resize & then post to facebook,forums,web or whatever. You're not gonna make huge monster prints...

SO........why spend money on owning redundant lens combos ?

If I had a 24-105 F4L IS, this 24-70 f4L IS wouldn't interest me one bit.

I only shot a couple of pictures once with the 24-105 F4L IS, but to me this is a hard lens to beat, as a 'all round' / 'vacation' lens...coupled ,for low light situations,with a 50mm 1.4 or a 35mm f2..

If you're a professional photographer and earning your money this way, surely you'll need a lens like 24-70 2.8 (either I or II), and sometimes the IS cannot compensate for faster aperture (due to many, obvious reasons).

I realize that my judgement is purely subjective on this but: I don't get people who own so many lenses that overlap themselves (I don't know if I used the correct term,but you get the idea)...

there was somebody here saying that he owns the 35L , the 35 f2, and if the 35 F2 IS would be released ,he would get that too........c'mon.....

The more lenses I own/would own....the more confused I would be and it would make my lens-picking-decision harder..

Throw me a FF body and a 85L II to accompany my current 24L II, and I'm all set baby. event, landscape, portrait, you name it. Birding & sporting would be ruled out of course (can't really bird or sport with the 85L :| ) but for everything else, I'd get the job done..

Or since we're fantasizing, give me 5d2 + 1d4, and a 24L + 50L

The other fact that I don't get is this urge......to get the 'latest' gear....I see people throwing away 1Ds3 bodies, 5D2 bodies , being obsessed with 5d3, 1dx, etc...

I will not use that old cliche that "you can't still take great photos with a 5D" (which it is true), but if I would have a competent body , I would put my money in some good glass. Not in too many lenses. The fewer, the better. and the better the lenses are,the better the results.. Bodies come & go.. lenses last longer and "get better" with each new body upgrade...

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Nov 05, 2012 at 10:33 PM
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p.6 #4 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


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Two thoughts:

1. People shouldn't convert the Japanese yen price to dollars, and assume that will be the retail price in the USA. Camera and lens prices in Japan have always been much higher than anywhere else in the world, especially the USA.

2. The 24-70 f4 IS is obviously Canon's reaction to Nikon's pricing. Unlike Canon, Nikon never packages their 24-120 f4 VR as a discounted kit lens. They always sell it full price. Nikon only offers the cheaper variable aperture zooms (i.e. 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 VR) as $500 kit lenses. When it comes to "affordable" full frame bodies like the
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On the paper, to me, I think the 24-70/4L IS is a much much better lens than the Nikon counterpart. With 2 UD elements (no idea about Super UD element), the lens would not be cheap. Like someone else already said, it might be a wishful thinking for $849. I sure hope I'm wrong though.



Nov 05, 2012 at 10:36 PM
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p.6 #5 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Wahoowa wrote:
On the paper, to me, I think the 24-70/4L IS is a much much better lens than the Nikon counterpart. With 2 UD elements (no idea about Super UD element), the lens would not be cheap. Like someone else already said, it might be a wishful thinking for $849. I sure hope I'm wrong though.


I'm not from US, but it seems on BH , 24-70 II is 2300 $. Judging by the price values of recent gear that was released from Canon I can almost bet anything that it'll be over 1000 $



Nov 05, 2012 at 10:42 PM
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p.6 #6 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


I'm really interested in seeing what this new 35 has to offer. My ancient 35 2.0 with its thunderous AF system could use an upgrade at some point... I will definitely be patient for the price to settle, though. If the trend among the 24 and 28 is any indication, the initial price will probably plummet quickly.


Nov 05, 2012 at 10:48 PM
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What the hell is Canon doing?
Have they completely lost their minds? 10 points for engineering, i know the 24-70 f4L IS will be a great performer, but it just makes no sense. And whats going to happen 24-105... i bet it will disappear, leaving just this new lens, but at double the price....

And what the hell is the point of pairing this lens with the 6D as a kit. Here a cheap full frame body, doesn't even have 1/8000 shutter, and its gets an expensive L lens.... it should be paired with the 28-135 IS, or maybe an update of this lens.

And where the hell is the new 50 1.4 that EVERYONE is waiting for... Canon has let some marketing people run the show, and they are giving us everything BUT what we need. Personally, i think they are also branding things 'L' that don't deserve it.

Canon - We need a new high performance 50 1.4. The 70-300L should have been constant f4. We dont need this new 24-70 f4.. a waste of your time and money. And whats with all the IS on wide lenses... they go on the long end! where is 100 f2 IS, 135 f2 IS, 200 2.8 IS? wheres the new 180L?

Frustrated Canon owner.. Get it right you fools.. Nikon is pissing all over you.



Nov 05, 2012 at 10:52 PM
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p.6 #8 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


adrianb wrote:
Aren't you guys tired of changing lenses? (I'm not being ironic and i'm referring to the fact that when you travel / work with many lenses you have to keep changing them back & forth from the body).

When you're coming back from a vacation or holiday or whatever, it's not like you're gonna need 20mp files sharp & crisp for the pixel peepers..... No,you're gonna come back with some nice pictures which you are gonna resize & then post to facebook,forums,web or whatever. You're not gonna make huge monster prints...

SO........why spend money on owning redundant lens combos ?

If I had
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I owned a 24-105, Adrian. I sold it in expectation of the new 24-70 2.8 L II, that of course I was expecting having IS and better IQ. Every needless (for me) 24mm prime has IS. The point is that the new cameras offer me the power to do my daily job at f/4.0. And I would like to have an 24-70 with IS at quality level of the 70-200 4.0 L IS. The 24-105 has not. It is a great lens and it offers great value for a small price. But IQ is different from its upper zoom lens. So imo there is a need and a market for a 24-70 4.0 L IS. I would purchase one, if IQ is same as 24-70 2.8 L II stopped down one step like the 70-200 4.0 IS imo offers.





Nov 05, 2012 at 11:13 PM
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p.6 #9 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


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Okay so I wait things out and by end of 2013/14, given we survive the Mayan calender thingy, my kit is kinda like this...

- used/referbed 6D or 5D3, 40D as my backup, all gripped
- 17-40 f4L, 24-70 f4L IS, 70-200 f4L IS
- 28 f1.8, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.8
- 100 f2.8L IS, 300 f4L IS, 400 f5.6L IS
- 12/25mm ext tubes, 1.4x II or III T/C
- plus my flash stuff

Sounds like a sound setup to me...Oops forgot about refreshment/nutrition, bag of limes, sea salt, bottle of Herradura Seleccion Suprema Tequila and shot glassess



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:14 PM
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p.6 #10 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


StillFingerz wrote:
Okay so I wait things out and by end of 2013/14, given we survive the Mayan calender thingy, my kit is kinda like this...

- used/referbed 6D or 5D3, 40D as my backup, all gripped
- 17-40 f4L, 24-70 f4L IS, 70-200 f4L IS
- 28 f1.8, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.8
- 100 f2.8L IS, 300 f4L IS, 400 f5.6L IS
- 12/25mm ext tubes, 1.4x II or III T/C
- plus my flash stuff

Sounds like a sound setup to me...Oops forgot about refreshment/nutrition, bag of limes, sea salt, bottle of Herradura Seleccion Suprema Tequila and shot glassess


Here is my kid wish, Jerry:
- 6D or 5D III (with 6d as my favorite if IQ keeps next to 5D III), of course with grip
- 24-70 L IS & 70-200 L IS, both 4.0 (if the new 24-70 fits IQ)
- no further lens (I do not shoot macro)
- my reflector set
- my speedlight 430 EX II (for some stupid jobs shots)
- much freedom to rent any lens for additional jobs (or even pleasure), if necessary
- lot of time and much money saved for travelling

- visiting you and having a beer
- visiting Peter and having another one - or a good canadian whiskey

Ralph



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p.6 #11 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Teper wrote:
What the hell is Canon doing?
Have they completely lost their minds? 10 points for engineering, i know the 24-70 f4L IS will be a great performer, but it just makes no sense. And whats going to happen 24-105... i bet it will disappear, leaving just this new lens, but at double the price....

And what the hell is the point of pairing this lens with the 6D as a kit. Here a cheap full frame body, doesn't even have 1/8000 shutter, and its gets an expensive L lens.... it should be paired with the 28-135 IS, or maybe an update of
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Better to take a breath and think about the other people that might not have the same wishes as you.

Personally I think a 24-70 f4 IS would be a great lens. Smaller/lighter/better IS/better IQ compared to the 24-105 sounds like a plan to me. Like many people I have the 70-200 and it would pair nicely with that.



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:44 PM
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p.6 #12 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


It's unreal how many camera bodies and lenses have been announced/released in the last year in the industry.


Nov 05, 2012 at 11:47 PM
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Just release a new 17-40 F4 2.8 IS and be done with it. That is a lens that would sell like hotcakes.


Nov 05, 2012 at 11:47 PM
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p.6 #14 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


adrianb wrote:
Aren't you guys tired of changing lenses? ...


No.



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:48 PM
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p.6 #15 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


andyjaggy82 wrote:
Just release a new 17-40 F4 2.8 IS and be done with it. That is a lens that would sell like hotcakes.


They probably would. OTOH, I'd be more interested in a 16-35/2.8L III, or 14-24/2.8L.

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Nov 05, 2012 at 11:49 PM
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p.6 #16 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Wahoowa wrote:
But reasonable is not Canon's virtue recently.

I think the specs of the new 24-70/4L IS are very interesting. With 2 UD elements, the image quality should be much better than the old good 24-105L. It focuses closer, has 9 blades and has hybrid IS. If priced at $850, Canon will just cannabalize their own 24-70/2.8L II sales.


They have 4 different versions of the 70-200 L lens. Why can't they have 2 versions of a 24-70 lens. The smaller/lighter f4 version and the pro-spec f2.8 version. This is one of the most desireable focal ranges on cameras, especially for FF that we seem to be moving to nowadays.

IMO, I'd guess around $1200 for the lens (roughly the same ration of the 70-200 2.8 vs 4).



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:49 PM
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p.6 #17 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Teper wrote:
...hell...?

...hell...

...hell...

...pissing all over you.


Yup. ;-)



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:50 PM
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p.6 #18 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


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Here is my kid wish, Jerry:
- 6D or 5D III (with 6d as my favorite if IQ keeps next to 5D III), of course with grip
- 24-70 L IS & 70-200 L IS, both 4.0 (if the new 24-70 fits IQ)
- no further lens (I do not shoot macro)
- my reflector set
- my speedlight 430 EX II (for some stupid jobs shots)
- much freedom to rent any lens for additional jobs (or even pleasure), if necessary
- lot of time and much money saved for travelling

- visiting you and having a beer
- visiting Peter and having another one -
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Sounds like a good plan Ralph, beer it is, come out here during our summer months and there be pijuns galore to shoot; the two legged bikini clad type, I'll have to introduce you to the Belmont Brewery and their Strawberry Blonde, it's a mighty fine brewski, a 20 ouncer should get us started



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:54 PM
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p.6 #19 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


So, we'll have

- 24-70mm f/2.8 non-IS
- 24-70mm f/4 IS
- 24-105mm f/4 IS

If you want to cover 24-70 with f/4 and IS, why wouldn't you simply want the 24-105 f/4 IS and get 35mm extra "for free?" If you want/need f/2.8, why wouldn't you want the 24-70 f/2.8?

Why doesn't Canon put IS in the 24-70 f/2.8, keep the 24-105mm f/4 IS and be done with it? That provides a super lens covering 24-70 with all the bells and whistles, along with a versatile and high quality lens covering a wider focal length range. In practical terms, few who would be interested in the 24-70 f/2.8 would want the f/4 version, and few who would like the 24-105 would be wiling to give up the added focal length flexibility.

The 24-70mm f/4 IS may well be a wonderful performer, but given the other two lenses it sure seems like a strange thing to add when there are other places where Canon could make a bigger splash. Think of something in the ultra wide range for example...

Dan

adrianb wrote:
Aren't you guys tired of changing lenses? (I'm not being ironic and i'm referring to the fact that when you travel / work with many lenses you have to keep changing them back & forth from the body).

When you're coming back from a vacation or holiday or whatever, it's not like you're gonna need 20mp files sharp & crisp for the pixel peepers..... No,you're gonna come back with some nice pictures which you are gonna resize & then post to facebook,forums,web or whatever. You're not gonna make huge monster prints...

SO........why spend money on owning redundant lens combos ?

If I had
...Show more

Edited on Nov 05, 2012 at 11:58 PM · View previous versions



Nov 05, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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p.6 #20 · New Canon 35mm F2 IS and 24-70mm f/4L IS!


Just reread Rogers Hammer forum thread in his blog and even it is the 6th or seventh time I am still pissing MYSELF over and over ...

Still laughing:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/hammerforum-com



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