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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


Hey there everyone, This is my first post on a photography forum and after days of indecision this site was recommended by a proffesional photographer that I follow.

I am currently an English teacher in South Korea and bought my first DSLR (t2i) in January this year, I have improved a lot since and now I want to improve my photography and techniques even more.

I am traveling South East Asia soon and I am looking to cut down on my gear, for practical and financial reasons. I currently own a Canon 5D classic and a rebel T2i. I have a Canon 50mm 1.8, Canon 17-40 f.4.0 L, Canon 70-200 f.4.O L, and a Rokinon 85mm 1.4

I want to focus on one style of photography rather than mess around with to many different things. I have too many lenses now and I'm looking to specialize in landscape photography, especially in my travels. I will keep my nifty fifty though for other reasons. So here is what I want to do, I'm thinking of selling my 5D, 70-200 F4 L, and my Rokinon 1.4. I am thinking of keeping my 550D and exhanging the 17-40 L with the Tokina 11-16 (for crop sensor) with a constant f 2.8. Or do you think it's better to get the 10-22mm Canon EFS? I also want the f 2.8 of the Tokina because I want to do some Astro photography in my travels and when I'm back home in South Africa; the 2 extra stops of light will matter. On the other hand the 5D has better ISO performance in these kind of low light conditions. If I keep the T2i it means I will have a lightweight DSLR (gonna get a battery grip though) with a nice crisp wide angle lens (Tokina) and some of the money that I get from my camera (5D Mark I) and lenses I will spend on a decent 10stop ND filter and a ND grad kit, I already own a CPL filter.

I'm not going to do any major prints, so I think the T2i will be sufficient and I have the added benifit of having video and big LCD screen that can help a lot with focusing. I dont want my lenses to gather dust anymore, I just want to keep the things I need. I have looked at most of my pics and I tend to favor the wide angle the most. When I'm in the Philipines and the rest of South East Asia, I'm really gonna go for it, and with the right basic landscape kit I can hopefully get some good shots. Is the FF really going to matter here? I want to specialize in landscapes and focus on shooting in good light.

To wrap this up, I'm having great difficulty to make a decision. Do I keep the 5D with the 17-40 or do I keep my T2i and get a Tokina 11-16 or a 10-22 EFS? I want to primarily focus on landscapes/dynamic landscapes/seascapes. I trust you can give me some sound advice! I don't want to make a mistake and sell the wrong camera and lenses.



Nov 03, 2012 at 09:35 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I have owned the 5d in the past, and now own a 5dii and t2i. In my personal experience with the two cameras you mention, the difference between them is irrelevant when it comes to landscapes at web sizes and small print. If I were in your shoes, I would just hang onto the 5d and use the 17-40 with it. I've made excellent landscapes with that combination during my 2 years in korea as well. (I was a teacher at Avalon English) but have also traveled to Hong Kong with it during Chuseok and it never left me disappointed. Pick up some neutral density filters and you should be set and just focus on your creativity. Good luck.


Nov 03, 2012 at 10:55 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I have the same bodies as you and having a hard time choosing to sell the T2i or keep it. I enjoy FF too much to let go of the 5Dc. In your shoes, traveling, not caring too much for large size prints, etc. I would sell the 5Dc and keep the T2i. The 5Dc is quite heavy with the grip and all, the T2i is lighter, and also faster to focus (IMHO), not to mention when shooting landscape you want more DoF rather than less (which is what you'd get with FF at all equivalent apertures).

Now between your lens selection -
I currently own the 11-16mm Tokina v1 and love it. I haven't tried the v2 yet though. It's supposed to control flare better and maybe a little faster focusing. The v1 flares pretty bad IMHO, I get flares from shooting at night if a streetlamp is anywhere in frame and within 30 feet of me. I heard wonderful things about the 10-22mm Canon though and how incredible its flare control is, so much so, I hear people using it on APS-H and FF. Again, I haven't tried the v2 of the Tokina, so that may be the answer for you.



Nov 04, 2012 at 12:05 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I borrowed a friend's 550D during a fashion shoot...after 10 minutes I gave it back and went back to my 40D....everything about the 40D was better...including the images.

I have just (because I fancied one) bought a 5D.....IQ is probably a tad better than the 40D...the 40D is the better camera in every other respect..

I used a 17 - 40L with each of the above.......if you want to produce sharp rich prints to A3 size the latter two will do that. I never bothered with the 550D images....and my printer only does A3 so don't know how larger prints will look.

Incidentally..the 17-40L on a crop camera is a great studio lens.......and it is a great lens for 35mm film....



Nov 04, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


Been living in SK for over 10 years and have done several 6-8 month backpacking trip to SE asia during that time.

I have always carried a combination of three lenses with a 5D: usually the 17-40, 50 1.4, and the 70-200f4IS or 70-300L. it all fits perfectly in a crumpler 5million bag with two extra batteries and a '320gig colorspace O photobank' in the front pouch. the inside pouch on the flap would fit several filters and some extra cf cards....

it was a perfect setup -- the bag size allowed me to remain relatively inconspicuous while providing plenty of convenience. A backpack was out of the question -- you dont want to be continually having to take it off and digging through it....

I understand that you want to focus on landscapes - but do not discount the lure of street photography and intimate documentary style photography -- you will have plenty of opportunities for those types of photography in between (and perhaps while) you are landscaping.

let me explain: the streets of cities like hanoi(dunno if you are going to vietnam...?) are alive with unbounded frenetic energy --- its a pleasure no matter what your photography forte is.. Also, the people in SE are very warm and welcoming and you may be invited into someones house for lunch or something -- better high ISO and 1.4 may serve you quite well in some situations and you dont want to kick yourself afterwards for not giving yourself the best opportunity to 'get' the shot.

I have been on treks in burma where light was down to a campfire inside a monestary -- ISO 3200 and 1.4 allowed me 1/50s and a shot i am proud of -- some other travellers on the trek didnt have that option: when i showed them what i got they were quite annoyed that their gear couldnt deliver. dont be that person!

the 17-40 at f4 is not exactly a light gatherer.... so again, high ISO can be the difference between getting a poorly lit interior documentary style shot --- bring the best you can in the smallest package you can and dont limit yourself to one way of shooting -- SE asia is a photographers wet dream, not just in terms of landscapes either.... everywhere you go is a photo opportunity, give yourself the best chance to get those photos.

and the 70-200f4IS is ideal for compressed landscapes (think terraced rice fields). 70-300L is even better.

I would recommend a 501.4(whether canon or another brand) instead of the plastic fantastic. more light gathering and better build and AF.

to give you an idea of what you can shoot here are two link to some of my stuff:

http://stevemp.smugmug.com/

http://500px.com/stevemp

if you have any questions about gear or locations feel free to pm or simply ask in this thread(share the info)..

take care and have fun -- SE asia is a gem!




Nov 04, 2012 at 05:40 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


With the 5D/17-40 combo I had issues with edge/corner softness for night photography. Just not very sharp wide open in those areas. I'd also have a hard time giving up that telephoto lens. Telephoto scenes while not as popular as wide for landscapes can also be very rewarding. Is weight an issue or are you just looking for a more efficient kit?


Nov 04, 2012 at 06:59 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I think the T2i with a good wide angle lens makes a great travel kit. However, you might also consider selling everything (except for the 17-40) and get a used 5D II. The 5DII is very comparable to the T2i in terms of features, but the IQ and low light capabilities are vastly better. I think the 5DII + 17-40L would be ideal for the type of photography you are interested in.


Nov 04, 2012 at 12:46 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


anthonygh wrote:
I borrowed a friend's 550D during a fashion shoot...after 10 minutes I gave it back and went back to my 40D....everything about the 40D was better...including the images.


Can't agree with that.

There's a reason Canon have seen fit to put the same sensor in the 550D, 600D, 650D, 60D and 7D, it's because it's so bloody good.

The 40D was a lovely camera with better handling and viewfinder than the 550D, I still have one, but the IQ isn't really close to the 18 meg sensor. I think you must have been fooled by looking at 100% crops which are so misleading.

IMHO the 550D is the best dslr for the money ever made. Superb little camera.


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Nov 04, 2012 at 12:54 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


dhphoto wrote:
Can't agree with that.

There's a reason Canon have seen fit to put the same sensor in the 550D, 600D, 650D, 60D and 7D, it's because it's so bloody good.

The 40D was a lovely camera with better handling and viewfinder than the 550D, I still have one, but the IQ isn't really close to the 18 meg sensor. I think you must have been fooled by looking at 100% crops which are so misleading.

IMHO the 500D is the best dslr for the money ever made. Superb little camera.

+1, I agree. In all honesty, I was a bit underwhelmed by the 5dii after comparing the files at the time of my purchase. The 5dii didn't seem to be $1500 better than the 550d. I kept both cameras however because I like fulll frame lenses.



Nov 04, 2012 at 03:27 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I have the 5D, the 40D, the 17-40, 70-200 f4 and several other lenses. But, if I were going to travel SE Asia (for landscapes, street photography or whatever), I would take the Olympus OM-D, the Panasonic 7-14, and either the kit 12-50 or the Panasonic 12-35. The freedom that comes from such a small kit is remarkable, and the quality of the images gives up little to DSLR systems. I am not going to be selling my DSLR gear, but for travel the better mirrorless systems are now the default choice in my humble opinion.

Just something to consider, isn't it great to have so much choice?



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


dhphoto wrote:
Can't agree with that.

There's a reason Canon have seen fit to put the same sensor in the 550D, 600D, 650D, 60D and 7D, it's because it's so bloody good.

The 40D was a lovely camera with better handling and viewfinder than the 550D, I still have one, but the IQ isn't really close to the 18 meg sensor. I think you must have been fooled by looking at 100% crops which are so misleading.

IMHO the 550D is the best dslr for the money ever made. Superb little camera.

+1
I've got 40D 550D and 7D and the 550 and 7D do have better image quality
For what you want a 550D and the tokina 11-16 is perfect
I've got the tokina ad well and its a really nice lens



Nov 13, 2012 at 06:05 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


LCPete wrote:
+1
I've got 40D 550D and 7D and the 550 and 7D do have better image quality
For what you want a 550D and the tokina 11-16 is perfect
I've got the tokina ad well and its a really nice lens


+3
But after a 550D a used 5D2 would be a good, (relatively) inexpensive option for landscapes



Nov 13, 2012 at 01:05 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


With ref to my initial comments above......I gave up on the 550D after ten minutes because it wasn't as good a camera to shoot with.....everything from the ergonomics to the AF worked better on the 40D.

Later when I looked at the files (all processed in LR3 at the time.....but I have re-visited some with LR4 (which is better)...I still prefer the 40D images. Even prints from the 40D.

Since my initial post I have some more shoots / set up tests with the 5D and I am a lot more impressed with the files...and resulting prints. But the 40D still more than holds it's own in my opinion...to A3 print size anyway.

Going back to the OP's questions........I am getting some pleasant results from my new G1X and in his position I would be tempted to stick with the 5D body / 17-40L.....and for me.....get a film body for B+W work......and something like a G1X (or even G10 which I still use) in order to have a take anywhere / anytime camera as few people want to lug a DSLR kit around 100% of the time...sometimes something that slips in the pocket or a small bag is ideal. And maybe think about what filters I might want.

If I were a professional photographer making trips purely for commercial purposes I might think differently.....but in my opinion the OP has enough kit to get images that would be published by National Geographic if he has the skill.



Nov 13, 2012 at 01:51 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I have never used the 550, but I have used the 300D, 30D, 40D, and now own the 7D and the 5Dc. I always reach for the 7D because it has all of the extra features, but every time I use the 5D, I kick myself for not using it more. The images it produces are by far the best of any camera I have ever owned. I personally would take the 5D, the 17-40, and the 70-200. I know it is a bit much to carry, but having both of those lenses with me in China back in June really paid off. I would hate to be in the middle of a trip kicking myself because I didn't want to carry an extra pound or two.

Chas.



Nov 13, 2012 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


5D and 17-40 is used for around 80% of my landscape shots, and at the size I print, never felt the need to change. They work great together, color is phenomenal, and the best shot I ever got was with the two together.


Nov 13, 2012 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


Just a quick thought on astrophotography. I do not tend to shoot wide open, so you may not need the f2.8 you mentioned.
Regardless of which way you go, it is not about the camera. To paraphrase Galen Rowell, the "best camera is the one you have" in "the right place at the right time".



Nov 13, 2012 at 09:33 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I'm in between full-frame bodies at the moment, so I thought I would try the Toki on my 550D & 650D.... I found it wasn't good enough for landscape. CA and corner sharpness being the main issues.

I have given up trying UWA on APSc now and will get another full frame to use with the 24 TSE.



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:20 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


Too much hand wringing for a decision that ultimately shouldn't matter. If you're doing only landscapes you should ideally be shooting on a tripod stopped down, so sensor size and aperture are not terribly relevant. I own a 5D + 17-40L and had a 60D + Sigma 10-20mm but the differences for landscape are not great. Actually my little Sony NEX-5N is a better landscape camera than either because the sensor has much better DR at low ISOs. I would just stick with what you already have.


Nov 15, 2012 at 01:28 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


I shot this with the 5D and I believe the 17-40 although it may have been a 24-70. We have a 30x40 print in our house. It amazes folks that look at it.
The original 5D was/is a good camera.

http://www.pbase.com/rprouty/image/106971940/original.jpg




Nov 15, 2012 at 01:32 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 5DI and 17-40 for landcapes or 550D and tokina 11-16/ Canon 10-22?


Between the two combo you put up, my vote goes to 550D + Tokina 11-16.

But I agree with Jstephens62, the Olympus OMD + Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 + Panasonic 25 f/1.4 gets my highest vote.

FF is good if one wants good control over depth of field. APS-C is a good for wildlife. For lighter and smaller packages, OMD is the best, with image quality that rivals APS-C.



Nov 15, 2012 at 03:32 AM





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