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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


For me the main attraction of the new 70-300L is the small size in my bag. That's the reason I will buy it as a travel lens. It goes to 300mm but even then it's a few cm shorter than my 70-200/4 IS lens


Oct 27, 2012 at 05:48 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


PCKit wrote:
Tony, I just got the 70 300L. I am using it for kids sports and it is doing a super job. I would like to use use a 1.4 TC with it and have a Canon one, but I had read it did not work with it. Are you using a off brand? and if so which one? Your images are fabulous as usual.
I think the 70 300L with a pancake and a 1.4 would be a super travel combo. 40 to 420 in a small bag.

thanks,

Kathy


Unless you have a 1 series you will struggle to get Af with the 70-300L and 1.4x TC. After April 2013 your 5D III should be ok. Tony's images are with a 1D IV which is why it will AF even with a Canon 1.4x TC.



Oct 27, 2012 at 08:56 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Unless you have a 1 series you will struggle to get Af with the 70-300L and 1.4x TC. After April 2013 your 5D III should be ok. Tony's images are with a 1D IV which is why it will AF even with a Canon 1.4x TC.


I know about the focusing but I have read the following on the use of the 70 300L with Canon teleconverters:

"The rear lens element on the 70-300L protrudes too far out of the lens and will hit the element on Canon Extenders, the only option are to use the Kenko extenders".

So, I am wondering if Tony uses a different type with the 70 300L and if so which one as his results are spectacular.





Oct 29, 2012 at 02:04 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


Thanks for posting that info, Katherine! I didn't realize you had to use an alt extender on the lens... Not that I have a 1.4x at the moment, but have been thinking about re-aquiring one.


Oct 29, 2012 at 02:14 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


PCKit wrote:
So, I am wondering if Tony uses a different type with the 70 300L and if so which one as his results are spectacular.



Kenko and Tamron SP are basically the same converter as they use same optics, so either one would be good. With Kenko I think it needs to be DGX version, not DG version.

IMO a 100-400L will do a much better job than a 70-300L+ 1.4. Not sure why Tony has both lenses unless he has sold his 100-400L



Oct 29, 2012 at 02:58 AM
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There's more to a len's performance than a sharpness figure. In fact quibbling over sharpness is silly. Micro-contrast is more important imho. Along with macro-contrast and color. I wish there was a lens-test website that actually tested lenses properly, giving decent scores for more than just sharpness and CA (which is easily corrected in post). You can have two different lenses that measure the same sharpness figures on Photozone, but have very different real world performances, due to contrast and color differences.


Oct 29, 2012 at 03:43 AM
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beautox wrote:
There's more to a len's performance than a sharpness figure. In fact quibbling over sharpness is silly. Micro-contrast is more important imho. Along with macro-contrast and color. I wish there was a lens-test website that actually tested lenses properly, giving decent scores for more than just sharpness and CA (which is easily corrected in post). You can have two different lenses that measure the same sharpness figures on Photozone, but have very different real world performances, due to contrast and color differences.



Sooooo... Instead of quibbling about lens testing sites not talking about the difference, why don't you tell me the difference in color and contrast between the two?? I'm interested to know...



Oct 29, 2012 at 03:01 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


Ok, I've been using the lens for a couple of weeks & thought I'd follow up. It has been to one event (parade) and has been used quite a bit around the farm, just playing. It seems like it will be a good replacement for my use - since I am using FF now instead of crop, 300mm is very useful at the long end. It is sharp as a tack for fine detail, and I am not noticing any softness at middle focal lengths... Also since I am moving over from crop, I am not bothered with going from f/4 lenses to f/5.6 It is definitely a keeper. YMMV and the usual disclaimers apply.

Just a fun shot from 'round the place.

http://www.redwrench.com/2012/70-300/20121113-_79A0681.jpg

100% crop of Milky Way...

http://www.redwrench.com/2012/70-300/20121113-_79A0681-2.jpg

BTW, focus adjust is -2 at the wide end, +3 at the tele end. And even that small of a tweak does make a difference in IQ.



Nov 14, 2012 at 12:50 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


Sorry to hijack your thread,but the information is amazing.

I have been thinking about getting this lens as a walk around lens, and for events (sports + outdoor).

I currently have:
Body: 60D
Lenses: 17-40 f/4L , 50 f/1.4

Would this be a good lens to go the next step? Since its a 2010 release, its relatively new. Any expectations of a new one?



Nov 23, 2012 at 04:05 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


Yeah, it would be a good zoom to complement your lineup. The only thing I can think of that might come out in that similar range would be an updated 100-400. But I would guess it will be in the 2000+ range, and maybe more the way Canon has been pricing things lately.


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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


From what I can see, the 300 - 1.4 combo is as good or better than my 100x400. I have both, and have never tried a 1.4 on my 300L thinking it would not be a good combination.
Can someone tell me if the Canon 1.4 will work on the 300L? That seems to be a stunning lightweight combination for hiking and such.
Thanks and best wishes.



Nov 23, 2012 at 05:19 PM
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3iron wrote:
From what I can see, the 300 - 1.4 combo is as good or better than my 100x400. I have both, and have never tried a 1.4 on my 300L thinking it would not be a good combination.
Can someone tell me if the Canon 1.4 will work on the 300L? That seems to be a stunning lightweight combination for hiking and such.
Thanks and best wishes.


Yes, 300/4 + 1.4x worked just fine on my 1D3. I have not tried it on 5D3 as I sold my 1.4x (TC's are not my cup 'o tea).



Nov 23, 2012 at 05:26 PM
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mco_970 wrote:
Yeah, it would be a good zoom to complement your lineup. The only thing I can think of that might come out in that similar range would be an updated 100-400. But I would guess it will be in the 2000+ range, and maybe more the way Canon has been pricing things lately.



I've used the 100-400 when I was visiting India (used for the F1 race). It was way too heavy to carry around. I'm no professional, so something a little less, for a much cheaper price is why i looked at the 70-300



Nov 23, 2012 at 05:59 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


Then you better try a 70-300L to see if the weight suits you. It's not nearly as light as a 70-200/4 IS.

A good used 100-400 will be about the same price, not much to choose from there (and factor in that you have to buy the tripod ring for the 70-300L).



Nov 23, 2012 at 06:01 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


Question for those that have used both zooms and the prime.

At or near MFD (ie when shooting plants or butterflies) do you notice any difference between the 2 zooms?
Looking at the specs on TDP both lenses have the same MFD AND the same mag. so by that i assume the 70-300L is loosing alot of its length. and as i cant belive the 70-200/4 is 200mm at mfd i assume the 70-300 is looseing nearly half its 300mm

70-300L - 70-200/4
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Specifications.aspx?Lens=738&LensComp=404&Units=E

70-300L - 300/4
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Specifications.aspx?Lens=738&LensComp=111&Units=E

The prime's MFD is 30cmm further away but it has a greater magnification.

I'm not saying its a bad thing against the 70-300L as I'm aware that nearly all zooms loose mm at or near MFD . But if someone was thinking they could use the extra mm over the 70-200 for closer subjects then it may not be the best option.



Nov 23, 2012 at 08:15 PM
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skibum5 wrote:
It's pretty solid at 300mm, maybe not quite the 300 f/4 non-IS, but very good and quite close. f/5.6 is quite different than f/4 though at 300mm. Wide open 300mm MFD it is a bit soft, sharper than the 70-200 f/4 IS at 200mm MFD wide open by quite a bit but actually just a trace less sharp than that lens 200mm MFD f/5.6.

It doesn't focus for heck with an extension tube on and used with my 5D3 or 7D, vastly worse than the other two lenses do with extension tubes on. Maybe the new 5D3 firmware will change that

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Also the 300 f/4 takes the 1.4x TC reasonablyish well and the 70-300L not so much.



Nov 23, 2012 at 10:49 PM
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Ian.Dobinson wrote:
Question for those that have used both zooms and the prime.

At or near MFD (ie when shooting plants or butterflies) do you notice any difference between the 2 zooms?
Looking at the specs on TDP both lenses have the same MFD AND the same mag. so by that i assume the 70-300L is loosing alot of its length. and as i cant belive the 70-200/4 is 200mm at mfd i assume the 70-300 is looseing nearly half its 300mm

70-300L - 70-200/4
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Specifications.aspx?Lens=738&LensComp=404&Units=E

70-300L - 300/4
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Specifications.aspx?Lens=738&LensComp=111&Units=E

The prime's MFD is 30cmm further away but it has a greater magnification.

I'm not saying its
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yeah the 70-300L bleeds focal lenght in spades the closer the subject gets. Even at 25' it is more like only 280mm still.

but it is a pretty awesome lens (i was willing to sell my 70-200 f/4 IS after all)




Nov 23, 2012 at 10:53 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS



I know about the focusing but I have read the following on the use of the 70 300L with Canon teleconverters:

"The rear lens element on the 70-300L protrudes too far out of the lens and will hit the element on Canon Extenders, the only option are to use the Kenko extenders".

So, I am wondering if Tony uses a different type with the 70 300L and if so which one as his results are spectacular.


check this out:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=3266



Dec 20, 2012 at 05:18 AM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · 70-300L - can it replace 70-200/4 & 300/4 IS


I have the 70-300L and the 100-400. For travel, the 70-300 is incredible. The fact that it is weather proof was very useful while I was in Iceland last year. The colors and sharpness are absolutely top notch. The only time I use my 100-400 is for wildlife/birds. The smaller size is also fantastic for trips to the zoo, etc.


Dec 21, 2012 at 03:17 AM
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