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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 1DX and JPEG's


I have had pretty much every Canon DSLR camera at one time or another over the years and the 1DX is the first one where I feel comfortable shooting JPEG's..in the past I have essentially used RAW 100% of the time other than sports in good light but recently I have found myself using JPEG's in some more discerning settings without any discomfort....yes,in most situations I still defer to RAW but i have issue shooting JPEG with my 1DX as the results have been nothing short of outstanding...I am wondering if others have found the same thing ?


Oct 15, 2012 at 09:38 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 1DX and JPEG's


Yes, the JPGs are great. I always shoot raw+M, that way I can immediately hand off stuff and still have the raws for archival / fine processing.


Oct 15, 2012 at 09:58 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 1DX and JPEG's


On my 1DX I still always shoot raws, but often with JPEGS saved also, and I too thing they are improved. One thing I think that helps is the fancy metering system that the 1DX has, with the 100,000 point RGB metering. I think the camera is smart enough to get exposures done better than previous Canon cameras, and that goes a long way to making the JPEGS very nice. And being RGB metering, it is much harder to blow out a shot that has bright single color than is was with monochrome metering.

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Oct 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 1DX and JPEG's


I shoot RAW + S


Oct 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM
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Yep, at certain events I shoot RAW + S. Nice to have photos to instantly get up online.


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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 1DX and JPEG's


Can I ask what JPEG settings you are using?

Thanks, Bob



Oct 16, 2012 at 01:14 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 1DX and JPEG's


Just to add, I have found that in certain situations, I LOVE shooting JPG with this camera.

I've been shooting college hockey for a few years, and in the past I've used a 1D2n, 1D2, 1D3, 5D Mark II, 50D, and 40D. I tried shooting JPG with them, but never loved the files.

But with the 1D X, if I shoot RAW, I simply cannot replicate the quality of JPG's I get straight out of the camera while I am shooting hockey. It seems no matter what curves adjustments I make in lightroom, no matter what I try, they just don't end up looking as good as the JPG's. On the camera I have auto lighting optimizer turned on to standard (which helps brighten up their faces in the masks), high ISO speed noise reduction set to standard, I bump exposure compensation up 1 stop, leave it on auto ISO, minimum shutter speed set to 1/500, auto white balance, and usually shoot in Av at f/4. The only adjustments I then make in Lightroom is a batch white balance change, usually a tint adjustment and they're good to go. I'm really impressed! The contrast, clarity, detail, color, everything are really nice and the girls on the team LOVE the photos. What also helps too is the 1DX's exposure consistency, it doesn't freak out when it sees a lot of bright white ice and turn the exposure way down despite my adjustment, it's very consistently spot on.

Here are some photos from the other night - http://willpphoto.smugmug.com/Sports/Geneseo-home-12-8-12/



Dec 10, 2012 at 07:08 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 1DX and JPEG's


BobnJake wrote:
Can I ask what JPEG settings you are using?

Thanks, Bob


I shoot sports year round. Field Hockey, Soccer, Swimming, Basketball, Lacrosse, Football, Volleyball... I shoot JPEG 100% of the time. Since the 1DMkIII I've had my JPEG quality set to "7". Same with the MkIV and now the 1D-X.

The largest I print is typically 18x24 and I cannot detect any difference between a quality setting of 10 and 7.

It's funny that on those rare occurances where I've shot RAW+JPEG I always end up using the JPEG.






Dec 10, 2012 at 08:01 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 1DX and JPEG's


I did some Jpeg tests when I first got the 1DX. IMO, best results (i.e. best detail preservation) are obtained by turning off high ISO NR. Files should still be pretty clean at ISO 1600-3200. If NR is on, even at the standard setting, there is a fair amount of smoothing applied. The low NR setting is better, but I was happiest with NR off. And if sharpening is turned down, or off, I find the 1DX files are pretty soft looking. But I think it's the best Canon I've used so far for SOOC Jpegs.

That said, IMO, RAW conversions still provide the best absolute sharpness and fine detail preservation.

Here are some sample crops I posted here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1140073/3#10929176

dehowie wrote:
It my be in your eyes sub optimal but I can guarrantee with 100% certainty that shooting way below maximum quality output will in no small way affect your image. Obviously that will affect your final result no end.
I've never had an issue shooting jpg in decent conditions but whenever I'm in demanding light RAW is the only way to go..but can understand your position where jog may be your only option.
If its affecting your final output then bump up the quality is there any other option?
A 500gig portable drive s cheap as chips why cut quality on your
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I absolutely don't disagree with you on these points. And, as I mentioned, there were a number of considerations for the event in question and in-camera Jpeg quality 7 with standard in-camera NR was determined to be the suitable compromise and still met the image quality requirements of the client.

Here are some 100% crops from the 1DX at ISO 6400. Focus was on the Domke logo, done with live view AF. All images were shot RAW+Jpeg, with the Jpeg quality sequences at 10 and 7, and all levels of in-camera NR. The "standard" picture style was customized to set sharpening at the lowest "0" setting. Crops were made from the Jpegs without resampling and at the highest quality output. The RAW from the Jpeg 10 NR off pair was converted in LR4.1 with sharpening off and in two versions - one with only luminance NR off, the second with both luminance and chroma NR off.

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_tif_LR4-1_shrp-off_all-NR-off.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_tif_LR4-1_shrp-off_lum-NR-off.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg10a-NR-off.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg10b-NR-low.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg10c-NR-standard.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg10d-NR-high.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg07a-NR-off.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg07b-NR-low.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg07c-NR-standard.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg07d-NR-high.jpg

Obviously, the in-camera NR setting makes a huge difference. What I find interesting is that the standard and high NR characteristics are very similar. In any case, this little test has confirmed to me that If I have to shoot Jpeg only for my own uses, I will leave the in-camera NR turned off for all ISOs, since even at high ISOs there appears to be some automatic chroma NR. If file size is a consideration, then I'll bump down the quality setting rather than adjust NR. As can be seen below in the direct comparison, while there is a difference between Jpeg 10 and 7, it's not nearly as significant as in-camera NR settings in affecting (higher ISO) image quality.

http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg10a-NR-off.jpg
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fm/1D_noise/1DX_jpg07a-NR-off.jpg


There is also the consideration of in-camera sharpening with the various NR settings... my impression is Canon is using some kind of edge sharpening technique that results in an over processed look, when combined with in-camera NR... but that's another test.



Dec 10, 2012 at 08:42 PM





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