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Archive 2012 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


I am torn between Photoshop bicubic normal and sharper at the moment. I used to have PKsharpener but it was not worth the 64-bit upgrade price just for this one action, and I have everything else covered.

I have also used one of those actions that oversizes the image and sharpens in steps. Most of those I see are too gritty.

I tried saving as a TIF so I could have access to the save with sharpen thing in ACR. Not too bad but you don't have lots of size choices and it makes lots of extra steps.

I have Topaz but have not found anything I like there either. One problem I see is that when you downsize, it is already too gritty even with normal bicubic.

My workflow prior to sharpening is here:

http://ben-egbert-photo.com/?p=168



Oct 08, 2012 at 12:51 PM
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p.1 #2 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


I just use the default settings in PS and downsize to my desired size with 'image size'. Easy and without any artefacts or problems.


Oct 09, 2012 at 06:07 AM
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p.1 #3 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


I downloaded some actions a while ago and they give me an 800px wide image that I can't come close to in terms of sharpness compared to the standard PS resize.
I will have to see if I can find where I got them from



Oct 09, 2012 at 07:07 AM
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p.1 #4 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


Photoshop bicubic smoother to downsize. USM at high percent with low (~.2) radius and then fade to taste.


Oct 09, 2012 at 10:05 AM
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p.1 #5 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


Bernie wrote:
Photoshop bicubic smoother to downsize. USM at high percent with low (~.2) radius and then fade to taste.


This sounds right. I tried downsizing with bicubic and a very mild Topaz sharpening and it looked good but it take Topaz forever to analyze the image. I will give your USM a try. I did not try smoother but I will.



Oct 09, 2012 at 01:20 PM
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p.1 #6 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


http://www.alexnail.com/blog/tutorials/resize-and-sharpen-for-web/


Oct 09, 2012 at 07:26 PM
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p.1 #7 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


I have that action and have been using it for at least a couple years. I find it makes my images gritty looking. In fact this was the reason I posted here.

If you leave images unsharpened until the end and then perp the image three or four different ways,

IE, screen saver, web, print etc, then this may work. I do all sharpening during raw conversion and it works everywhere accept web. Its not really too sharp for web, but its too sharp to use this action. For a long time I was using the action and deleting the sharper layer altogether.

I made an action that downsizes bicubic and then uses a very light Topaz sharpening that seems to be working.




Oct 09, 2012 at 07:45 PM
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p.1 #8 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


Hendrik wrote:
I just use the default settings in PS and downsize to my desired size with 'image size'. Easy and without any artefacts or problems.


I must add that I sometimes use "PhotoKit Output Sharpener 2, but mostly I do not, and if I do, mostly at 50% strenght (opacity).

In my opinion, a soft image is still a good image, but an oversharpened image is always bad.

Edited on Oct 10, 2012 at 02:59 PM · View previous versions



Oct 10, 2012 at 05:34 AM
ben egbert
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p.1 #9 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


Good point. Most soft image I get were out of focus to start with. It has become common to attempt to fix OOF with sharpening.


Oct 10, 2012 at 02:35 PM
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p.1 #10 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


Lightroom Export, resize in export dialog, Sharpen for screen. Just doesn't seem to create any problems I can identify.

Slightly OT: My wife posts some of her work on Facebook. The Facebook process so radically degrades images that any comparisons we might discuss wrt downsizing and sharpen are trivial when compared to what happens once the image gets to the FB server. I've even seen examples on the FM forum, that images participants display here degrade very considerably when compared to those same participants' work on Zenfolio.

I wish I knew what produced the degradations and I'll bet some here do know. If we could get around these artifacts resizing and sharpening for web display techniques would be even more impactful I think.

John Caldwell



Oct 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM
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p.1 #11 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


Shrug, I just send it to PS from Bridge via the Image Processor menu item.


Oct 11, 2012 at 03:27 PM
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p.1 #12 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


buggz2k wrote:
Shrug, I just send it to PS from Bridge via the Image Processor menu item.


Not following you here. I use Bridge and PS (not Lightroom however). I also sharpen in ACR, but thats more like an AA sharpen not an output sharpen. That sharpening is aimed at 5616 wide images. How do you use Bridge to resize and sharpen for web?

Do you first process it and save full size then open and save using the sharpen for web dialog in ACR?

I considered that, because I had heard the ACR sharpening was developed by Pixel Genius. But I can't reduce to 800 wide in ACR and I can't open a PSD file in ACR although I can use it to open a TIFF or jpg.

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Oct 11, 2012 at 09:00 PM
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p.1 #13 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


I don't seem to sharpen many of my pics, other than the minimal ACR default.
I don't see the need as yet, and this is printing them out also.
I may perform some minor selective sharpening, but overall, hardly ever.



Oct 11, 2012 at 09:05 PM
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p.1 #14 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


John Caldwell wrote:
Lightroom Export, resize in export dialog, Sharpen for screen. Just doesn't seem to create any problems I can identify.



+1



Oct 12, 2012 at 05:59 AM
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p.1 #15 · what is your favorite web downwsize-sharpen steps?


buggz2k wrote:
I don't seem to sharpen many of my pics, other than the minimal ACR default.
I don't see the need as yet, and this is printing them out also.
I may perform some minor selective sharpening, but overall, hardly ever.


Same here, I use 50,0.6, 7 and start with 30 on the mask slider. I don't do any sharpening in PS. When I print I use Qimage with the default sharpening and uprez algorithm.

I wish the web would grow up and accept PSD 16bit prophoto full size images or at least 1920 wide.

I send full size jpgs to SmugMug and SM allows the owner to set sharpening for smaller images. It works fine. I only need to downrez and sharpens for Fm posting, Facebook and my own web site.




Oct 12, 2012 at 10:10 AM





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