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Archive 2012 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?
  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


Hey all,

I've been shooting basketball for the University of Washington with my D300s and 70-200 f/2.8 VRI for three years now. I had a few chances to shoot with a friend's 85mm f/1.8D and really love the bokeh and clarity at f/2. This is my senior year shooting basketball and I think it's worth it to get an 85mm of my own.

However, I'm not really sure if the D or G version will be better for me.

I like the improved image quality of the G, but does the D have faster focus?

I also shoot weddings and portraits, but sports is top priority right now.

Thanks



Oct 02, 2012 at 05:32 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I have the 85mm1.8G, the AF is fast enough for walking subjects (such as a bride) but I wouldnt use it for sports its not quick enough.


Oct 02, 2012 at 05:54 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


Both are execellent for indoor basketball. I usually closedown a little(2.0, 2.2) to improve IQ. Regarding AFspeed,never really been a problem in practice for indoor sports, but I usually refocus constantly to get the 'right' player in focus, basketball can be a bit tricky or chaotic for AF tracking algorithms.

Guy



Oct 02, 2012 at 08:03 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


TOUGEFC wrote:
I have the 85mm1.8G, the AF is fast enough for walking subjects (such as a bride) but I wouldnt use it for sports its not quick enough.

I can track a running, in my direction, horse with a 80-400 and a 85D 1.8 can do a walking person??



Oct 02, 2012 at 10:44 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


The 85mm 1.8D has way faster AF. I mean way FASTER at locking on. The 1.8G is smooth but slower. For fast moving subjects the D is the way to go. It's very sharp wide open as well.


Oct 02, 2012 at 02:13 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


In my experience with the 85/1.8D, the 85/1.8G, and the 70-200/2.8VR2, the zoom is the best all around lens for indoor sports, both in focusing and versatility. The other two do not compare when it comes to tracking a fast moving athlete coming towards you, especially at a college level men's basketball game. Of the two 85s, the D will focus faster when racking from near to far, but it is jerky when it comes to tracking a fast approaching basketball player. It's the nature of the mechanical linkage between the body AF motor and the mechanical gears in the lens. In comparison the G is slightly slower when racking the AF, but it is smoother at tracking the action. Neither would be my first choice covering indoor basketball if relaying on the AF. Nikon did not have the indoor sports shooters in mind with those primes.

Having said that the 85G will provide slightly better out of focus areas and image clarity when shooting it between /2.0 and f/2.8 vs the zoom. And if you are photographing in a really dark gym that extra stop could mean the difference between blurry action shots or adequately freezing the action.



Oct 02, 2012 at 04:00 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


TOUGEFC wrote:
I have the 85mm1.8G, the AF is fast enough for walking subjects (such as a bride) but I wouldnt use it for sports its not quick enough.

I use mine (f1.8G) ALL the time for rodeo in sh*t light. It's MORE than up to the task on the D7K/D700/D3/D800
when I need an extra stop over the 70-200 VR II. I'd suggest operator error, if YOU'RE having problems.



Oct 02, 2012 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I personally haven't used the G, but I'd imagine its not much different than other G lenses. I don't see where the big problem is. It should be up the task fairly easily.


Oct 02, 2012 at 04:53 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


There's a substantial difference in AF speed capabilities between the recent G primes (24/28/35/50/85) using geared micro motor SWM vs the 24-70G, 70-200G, 200/300/400/500/600G, and the like, with their ring type SWM.

BenV wrote:
I personally haven't used the G, but I'd imagine its not much different than other G lenses. I don't see where the big problem is. It should be up the task fairly easily.




Oct 02, 2012 at 06:50 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I really like my 85G

All of these were taken with the D800 + 85G

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dale_herman/sets/72157631662725668/



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


TOUGEFC wrote:
I have the 85mm1.8G, the AF is fast enough for walking subjects (such as a bride) but I wouldnt use it for sports its not quick enough.


This is just silly. I shot sports with the 85 1.4D in a pinch (basketball). Sports photography began LONG before AF-S long primes. The 85 1.8G is fine as is the 85 1.8D. Not ideal but capable in competent hands.

Joe



Oct 03, 2012 at 04:10 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I just shot a motocross racer with my D800 and 1.8G and really didn't miss any shots due to focus speed. I love this lens!



Oct 03, 2012 at 04:31 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


Im not saying you cant, all Im saying is it wouldnt be my first choice if i wanted a 85mm prime for sports. The Sigma 85mm has the fastest AF of them all.


Oct 03, 2012 at 06:23 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I don't think TOUGEFC's comment was 'silly'. If relying on AF for capturing indoor college level basketball of a subject running towards you from less than 20 feet away at or near f/2.0 with its thin depth of focus, Nikon's current selection of medium telephoto lenses are not ideal in that situation. Doesn't mean you couldn't use those lenses or get great action images with them, especially in skilled hands. And as you pointed out there's always manual focus. Back in the late 80s/early 90s the combo I used and enjoyed was the F4s and 105/1.8. Unfortunately neither 85 has the best MF feel nor do DSLRs have the best viewfinder screens for MF. For me, of the two 85s the OP is considering I'd choose the 85G for its smoother AF and full time manual focus override. The OP also mentioned weddings and the silent AF of the G might be preferable in church services. If he already owns the 70-200/2.8 I think the G would make a good/better complement to it.



Joe Marques wrote:
This is just silly. I shot sports with the 85 1.4D in a pinch (basketball). Sports photography began LONG before AF-S long primes. The 85 1.8G is fine as is the 85 1.8D. Not ideal but capable in competent hands.

Joe



Oct 03, 2012 at 10:11 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


Sang, I shoot basketball only now and then, but a lot of other indoor-sports. I really love primes for this kind of stuff, but especially the short tele-lenses (I've used the AF-D 85/1.4 for many years and lately the AF-S 85/1.8 G) give me more out-of-focus shots than I like. The AF-S 70-200/2.8 and the AF-S 200/2 are much faster.
That said - I have to shoot a basketball-match this afternoon and will give the "G" another try.

AF-S 85/1.8 G at f/2, D7000, ISO 1600



Oct 03, 2012 at 11:55 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


The AF-S 70-200/2.8 and the AF-S 200/2 are much faster.
at 5X and 10X the price...I would SURE hope so



Oct 03, 2012 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I have the 85 1.8D and it does a nice job on my D300 and D700 following motion and with basic sports. That said, if the 85 1.8G is anything like the 50 1.4G, the autofocus would be noticeably slower... I am planning to sell my 50 1.4G to "downgrade" to a 50 1.4D just because the autofocus of the G lens bugs me... My AFS zooms (28-70, 17-35, 70-200) are much faster focusing than my experience with the 50 1.4G...


Oct 04, 2012 at 02:27 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I think I'm leaning more towards the 85mm f/1.8D.

I realize that the primes will have slower AF, but I guess I was just wondering which one of the two is faster because I'm pretty set on using a prime this year.

I suppose, I also forgot to mention that I use a 50mm f/1.4G on occasion too. I really like the image quality and bokeh, but I will admit that the focusing is so slow. And have missed a few shots because of it . . .

What I've noticed is that I want to be tighter with my 50 and want to have a lower aperture on my 70-200.



Oct 04, 2012 at 06:52 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


I have a number of 1.8G lenses and I agree with a lot of the sentiments above - they just aren't that snappy to focus. That doesn't mean that I don't use them for sports - because I do - but compared to some of the other lenses that I use for shooting sports with my D3s, they're slow.


Oct 04, 2012 at 01:29 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Nikon 85mm f/1.8D or 85mm f/1.8G for College Basketball?


If you can rent, beg, borrow, or expense them, they are tops for indoor sports. Unfortunate that Nikon has not provided the same AF speed and responsiveness in it's medium telephoto lenses.

trenchmonkey wrote:
at 5X and 10X the price...I would SURE hope so




Oct 04, 2012 at 05:27 PM
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