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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


Peter is probably correct; yet, I believe that a new 400 4 might work well for me, esp with the new cams abilities as higher ASA values. Could also be something I could afford.


Sep 27, 2012 at 01:28 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


It's a typo, they just forgot the "200-" part...


Sep 27, 2012 at 01:31 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


PetKal wrote:
I can't see Canon injecting yet another 400mm lens into an already overcrowded lens category, i.e.:

400 f/5.6
100-400
400 f/2.8
400 DO
200-400

If Canon get Peter to consider buying a super tele, I highly doubt they would produce one ;-)



Sep 27, 2012 at 02:17 AM
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PetKal wrote:
I can't see Canon injecting yet another 400mm lens into an already overcrowded lens category, i.e.:

400 f/5.6
100-400
400 f/2.8
400 DO
200-400


Well, considering the new price points, they might believe an $8000 lens has a place against what is otherwise $11000, and might deter some from going 3rd party if Sigma decided to fill the $5000 void.


rscheffler wrote:
interesting to see though, that Pentax recently announced a 560 f/5.6...

Ian.Dobinson wrote:
Yeah interesting lens. But have you seen the price $7000
It's on pre order here from WEX for 6k !!! That's mad money , I don't think EVEN canon can think up numbers like that for a 500/5.6
If your a pentax shooter I know there are less options , but a sigma 500/4.5 costs way less than that (3800) .

I think something like a 500/5.6 would have to sell for 2.5k (maybe 3k at a push ) to have much appeal .


A Canon 500/5.6 would be the same price, without doubt. The f/4 is already $10500. $7000 would bring back an 'affordable' alternative for those now priced out of the market but still desiring/needing a long lens. Who knows, maybe we will see a resurgence of 'cheaper' slower super-teles now that the main crop are so expensive and current high-ISO performance facilitates slower lenses.

But I really do think this is a shrinking market. Cameras like the Olympus OMD or Panasonic GH3, mated to a decent 300mm will undermine the need for super-teles once these cameras improve follow-focus AF. Even 'better' will be something like the 20MP 1" sensor size in the RX100 and Nikon 1 series, offering a 2.7x crop factor, meaning a compact 200mm is equivalent in reach (DOF differences aside)...



Sep 27, 2012 at 05:04 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


PetKal wrote:
I can't see Canon injecting yet another 400mm lens into an already overcrowded lens category, i.e.:

400 f/5.6
100-400
400 f/2.8
400 DO
200-400


Well, following this logic at 300mm we had...

300/2.8L IS
300/4L IS
200-400/4L IS (in development)
100-400/4-5.6L IS
200/2L IS + 1.4x
70-200/2.8L IS II + 1.4x
70-200/4L IS + 1.4x
70-300/4-5.6
70-300/4-5.6L
200/2.8L + 1.4x
135/2L + 2x

And they thought to produce a 2nd version of the 300/2.8L IS




Sep 27, 2012 at 08:41 AM
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dolina wrote:
Here's the photo of the 400/4 non-DO prototype and the 400/4 DO.

5-inch by 13 to 14-inch. More than 6lbs. Should sell for between $8,000-10,000.

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0009/doe/doe06.jpg


This non DO lens picture was included in the press release of the 400 DO ages ago (link)
for size comparison with the new DO lens. I don't think it was stated anywhere that
this was a working prototype. I thought this should be mentioned because in your
post it comes across as if this was the current prototype lens Canon is planning to release.



Sep 27, 2012 at 02:40 PM
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Fr3d wrote:
This non DO lens picture was included in the press release of the 400 DO ages ago (link)
for size comparison with the new DO lens. I don't think it was stated anywhere that
this was a working prototype. I thought this should be mentioned because in your
post it comes across as if this was the current prototype lens Canon is planning to release.

It may as well be seeming it was never released.

The point I am putting across is that Canon has already put in the work for the lens. It is just a matter of updating the design for today's use and actually making the announcement for shipping.



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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


How 'bout a 500mm f/5.6L IS with a slide-out hood like the 400 5.6L? Keep it small as possibly and lightweight, and I'm guessing it'd attract a good following.


Sep 27, 2012 at 04:45 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


gocolts wrote:
How 'bout a 500mm f/5.6L IS with a slide-out hood like the 400 5.6L? Keep it small as possibly and lightweight, and I'm guessing it'd attract a good following.



How about a modern version of this
+1 to the slide out hood as well



Sep 27, 2012 at 04:57 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


+2


Sep 27, 2012 at 08:40 PM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


Ian,

Yes, a 500mm F5.6 IS would be fantastic. Maybe even affordable.



Sep 27, 2012 at 08:47 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


Nah, I'd rather a 100-500 f/4-5.6L than just the prime.

A 500 f/5.6L would run about $4K so hardly affordable and yes zoom would be dearer, but it would be far more useful for travel IMO and we are in desparate need of high quality 500mm zoom. Sigma hasn't really got anything I'd buy and Tamron 200-500 is ancient.

Note Pentax's just announced 560 f/5.6 is $7K and lacks IS and was supposedly a cheaper design to keep costs down!



Sep 28, 2012 at 12:31 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Rumor: 400mm f/4 Non-DO to be Announced.


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Nah, I'd rather a 100-500 f/4-5.6L than just the prime.

A 500 f/5.6L would run about $4K so hardly affordable and yes zoom would be dearer, but it would be far more useful for travel IMO and we are in desparate need of high quality 500mm zoom. Sigma hasn't really got anything I'd buy and Tamron 200-500 is ancient.

Note Pentax's just announced 560 f/5.6 is $7K and lacks IS and was supposedly a cheaper design to keep costs down!


I agree it would be priced around $4,000. Pentax has IS built into their bodies and it was designed for their cropped bodies.

Once you go beyond 400/5.6 prices jump due to the diameter of the entry pupil. As it stands the 400/4.0 DO and 200/2.0 are both selling or $5,999. A step cheaper we have the 28-300 IS at $2,569



Sep 28, 2012 at 03:19 PM
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